Immoral policing: A guest post by Carvaka

Immoral policing: A guest post by Carvaka.

I think the terms ‘moral policing’ are very confusing for everyone. In order to police our morals, don’t people first need a consistent code to police them against? If the code changes according to the whims and fancies of people, then one might mistake the ‘policing’ for harassment and bullying!

I am stepping in to help the moral brigade avoid such allegations. I shall outline their sensible and consistent views. In honor of my delicious glass of wine, today’s topic is alcohol.

1) It is perfectly moral for men to drink alcohol. They are victims themselves if they commit crimes while drunk!

Have you come across rural women’s groups trying to curb alcoholism in their men? Local activists say they largely fail due to lack of support from the police1. These silly women!

You say some men died due to adulterated alcohol2? Should we ban men from bars ‘for their own good’? How absurd. This is not like Andhra Pradesh banning women from pubs after 10 for their own good. Totally different.

You complain about Mumbai with the dance bar ban and the Dhoble club raids? Why, we never disturbed the countless seedy little ‘permit rooms’ for men! Dance bars and high-end clubs have women, now THAT’s crossing a line.

When we report rapes and murders by men, we specify if the man had been drinking3. How is this relevant, you ask? It’s a mitigating circumstance! What could the poor guy do?

2) It is immoral for women to drink alcohol. Any random man may hit/ molest/ assault women to teach them a lesson.

You complain about the hitting/ molesting? Oh, come on. Random men molesting your daughter is EXACTLY like you disciplining her. Just ask the National Commission of Women!

NCW on the Mangalore morning mist case (a group of goons assaulted teenagers at a PRIVATE party)4:

“If you see a woman trying to jump into the well, you will not have time to think whether she was clad or not. This was a similar case. Won’t you beat a child when she does a mistake? Necessity knows no law”

Delhi Commission of Women on policemen assaulting a woman who was drinking with a friend in a private car last week5:

“We scold and hit our children when they do wrong. If the girl was drunk and the police had to take some steps, then I don’t think that it is wrong”

You don’t mind your daughter being in a pub? But we fabricate such quality stories of drunken girls being a nuisance!

Remember the drunk girl in Guwahati creating a nuisance and rightly beaten by locals6? Actually, that didn’t turn out as planned.

How about those drunken underage girls DRINKING and PARTYING7? They told you they were not underage? Damn it, why won’t they keep silent out of shame?

In fact, when we report a sexual crime on a woman, we always specify if she had been drinking8. Yes, you guessed it – mitigating circumstance. What could the poor rapist do?

3) Women should not dance in clubs and bars. Dancing is immoral. Except at our own events.

We banned all sorts of dancing in Bangalore. One can’t be too careful these days9.

Dance bars? No, no, this is against ‘Indian culture’. Here are the moral things we said in parliament when banning them10:

“These women who are opposing the ban, we will make their mothers dance… These women who dance naked (nanga nach), they don’t deserve any sympathy… it was more dignified to commit suicide than dance in bars”

We do enjoy a bit of tease in form of ‘tamasha’ dancing though11. Also we organize ‘item number’ at our own parties12. Totally different!

4) Use the words ‘prostitutes’ and ‘rave party’ repeatedly in the media. The target audience is well trained to react to these.

Raiding a pub? Arrest all the women (say prostitutes) there13. Talk about drugs too14.

The Mangalore morning mist party was a ‘rave’ party and the girls were going to be trafficked4. The police found no sign of either? Maybe people are right about the police not doing their job well!

Even people who have never been to a club know that “80% of women there are prostitutes and these are rave parties”15.

Some of us are sure that “House wives, moms and sisters in India are now severely addicted to pub life and now gone one step further towards drugs and prostitution“16. Didn’t you know?

Never mind that the morality cops were caught for corruption and custodial death17. They are SO moral.

One would think that the authorities’ job is to be unbiased and maintain law and order, not to sponsor one group in attacking another. If they were acting unconstitutionally against a religious group, would it be accepted as ‘religious policing’? Why are we so confused when it comes to ‘moral policing’?

  1. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/27/india-prohibition-villages-alcohol
  2. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/15/tainted-bootleg-liquor-kills-143-in-india/
  3. http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/1818239/report-suspecting-wife-of-having-an-affair-man-smashes-her-head
  4. http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=146759&cnt=2
  5. http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/moral-policing-ghaziabad-cop-slaps-girl-for-drinking-in-a-car-366805
  6. http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/17/moral-policing-indias-ugly-new-reality-tv/.
  7. https://indianhomemaker.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/girls-retaliate-this-time-but-will-the-lectures-on-culture-ever-stop/
  8. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-02-17/kolkata/31071107_1_complaint-nightclub-police-commissioner
  9. http://in.news.yahoo.com/blogs/thewatercooler/bangalore-dance-103114787.html

10. http://www.indiatogether.org/manushi/issue149/bardance.htm

11. http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/1193079/report-rr-patil-refuses-to-lift-ban-on-bar-dancers

12. http://ww.smashits.com/bar-girls-to-disrupt-sangli-item-dance/bollywood-gossip-4542.html

13. http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/jun/140612-mumbai-4-reasons-why-Dhoble-should-be-penalised.htm

14. http://mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/cover-story/Moral-policing-will-stop-when-youth-can-tell-good-from-bad/articleshow/16221789.cms

15. Translated quote from: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/episode-guide/series-2012/episode-13

16. See comments: http://www.firstpost.com/india/the-truth-about-archaic-laws-why-dhoble-supporters-are-wrong-360125.html

17. http://www.ndtv.com/article/people/who-is-vasant-dhoble-230923

Related Posts:

Alcohol: Age Limit, Gender Limit, Class Limit…

New scare for urban women: Menopause in 20s

Those who beat up the girls were probably not entirely at fault… Necessity knows no law.

Do some of us see anything that is done purely for pleasure (no moral or monetary benefits), as wrong?

So is sale and consumption of liquor related to crimes that take place in an area?

“The rape victim had gone there willingly. She was not lured into it. They drank vodka.”

Alcohol affects Husband – visionlightcolour

25 thoughts on “Immoral policing: A guest post by Carvaka

    • No, no…they are not babies, they are more like jungle dwellers. You see, men have a broken chromosome (Y) which makes them less sophisticated than women and so, they need special treatment.

      • They have the right to being ‘manly’ you see. Men will be men, the worse they are the better! It’s a shame because all the decent civilised men out there who are perfectly capable of managing their ‘urges’ and ‘male ego’ just get no credit.

        • Agree with Carvaka.. men aren’t considered babies. They are considered ‘rugged’ and ‘manly’ and the more ‘manly’ they are, the better.

          Carvaka, in fact, the ‘unmanly’ men face quite a bit of peer pressure :) I once had this idiotic bunch who decided I was too ‘womanlike’ for their liking – all this for being the cook (she only cooks when I’m late), and trying to occasionally please and surprise my girlfriend years into our relationship. You see, real men don’t please nobody ;)

          The funniest thing happens when I cook, she criticizes – others stare on in total disbelief. I then get unlimited advice on how the ‘man of the house’ should behave :P

        • “You see, real men don’t please nobody”

          Ha ha! Yes I know what you mean. My husband cooks and does all the chores (half of the time, I do my half too), so some female colleagues said to us that we are not a couple but simply housemates. We have been together for 10 years now and these women are single, so you would think we knew something about being a couple! Strange world we live in.

    • Hi Fatima, I am very much against it, that was sarcasm you spotted. :)

      The stories I linked to show deep inconsistency in moral policing, where different rules apply to women and men for exactly the same actions. It is not moral and it is not policing, just simply harassment.

      • ok. i too remember writing a similar thing i will share it once i get home. it was d anger over d statements made by many on delhi gang rape.even a woman minister said tat grls invite rape. wil write n share link fr sure.

  1. I think the key issue here is learning to separate personal beliefs from simply following the law in a professional way.
    You may not ‘approve’ of women in bars. Never mind that drunk men who might assault/rape a woman still have a right to be in that very bar. Never mind that removing victims from public places doesn’t solve the problem. That is YOUR belief, your very prejudiced, illogical belief, and you have a right to it. BUT you still need to follow the law. Women have the right to dwell in the same public places as men. This is a constitutional right. And regardless of your messed up beliefs, you still need to follow the constitution.

    • That’s exactly it. You are entitled to whatever you personally want to believe. You cannot however impose your belief on other people. The police/ government certainly don’t get to decide whose belief is important enough to trump the law.

    • Agreed, most people in our country don’t get this, surprisingly even the police force, and they are unfortunately assisted by the average citizen.

      As far as our police force is concerned, the definition of what constitutes law is vague, especially with moral policing – I was asked to go sit in the beach sand, instead of sitting on the approach road. That was the CM’s ‘new law’ to prevent harassment of women and encourage women to go outdoors, apparently.

      This got worse too, there were good Samaritans encouraged by the police who were chasing away people everyone from the approach road, especially young men in the next few weeks. Luckily this eventually died down.

      Was any serious thought put into the making of this ‘law’? I’d much rather prefer the police discouraging men from behaving poorly, rather than asking the men to leave from the spot and shoving the problem under the carpet.

      • It sounds complete disrespectful and – again- unconstitutional. How can stop men from being at a public place.. and go around shooing people away like riff-raff?

        • It IS ridiculous. Apart from being disrespectful and unconstitutional, what purpose does this solve? Are you telling me the troublesome men are going to behave better? Or are we just moving them away temporarily for as long as the pressure from the CM is on?

          When I visited a mountainous part of the US, there was a board that read “x days since the last fatal accident, y days since the last collision”. I felt a shiver down my spine and drove more carefully. Similarly, instead of leaving a board that reads “women, behave yourself and go home early”, it would actually be awesome if there was a board that read ‘X days since the last harassment case was booked’. That sounds FAR more useful and encouraging to women that there is something being done to protect them.

  2. Reading your satire made me want to go and write something on a similar vein, and I haven’t been up to writing anything for a while now. Thanks for the inspiration.

  3. The police is only as good as the people it comes from. I think you know how many people actually agree and support this kind of immoral policing. Basically all they want is to control the lives of others.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s