Those who beat up the girls were probably not entirely at fault… Necessity knows no law.

Pramila Nesargi, C Manjula, Pramod Muthalik and many other Indians seem to believe that it’s okay to beat somebody if we are convinced they are wrong.

State Women’s Commission Chairperson Pramila Nesargi. “If you see the larger picture, those who beat up the girls were probably not entirely at fault. If you see a woman trying to jump into the well, you will not have time to think whether she was clad or not. This was a similar case. Won’t you beat a child when she does a mistake? Necessity knows no law,” said Nesargi.

Does she realize what kind of permissions she is giving to those who might take her seriously? Reminds me of how Pramod Muthalik changed his mind (not sure how long the change lasted) and invoked non-violence and democratic values when two young men decided to take him seriously.

I have blogged about a teenage domestic helper from near Hubli whose father beat her mother frequently and once attempted to burn them all while they slept in their house; once he and his brother ‘broke’ her mother’s head because she was objecting to him marrying again – he threw them out and she shifted with her six children to Pune. The entire family believed that what happened was unfortunate but they didn’t seriously condemn the man’s actions. Almost all the men in their village were the same. Pramila Nesargi’s and C Manjula’s comments reminded me of this family. This family would totally understand what they are talking about.

Unfortunately for Muthalik, Pramila Nesargi and C Manjula, many amongst the rest of us don’t.

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More gems from C Manjula below. (link shared by Vidyut) http://www.deccanherald.com/content/271500/it-rave-party-mangalore-insists.html

1. “…youngsters indulging in “immoral activities” are a more pressing issue than the attack on girls and needs to be addressed immediately.”

2. “I suspect that the youngsters at the homestay had consumed drugs,” Manjula said, citing a senior politician’s observation that clothes worn by one of the boys suggested he consumed drugs, as the basis of her conclusion.

3. “These youngsters have got unnecessary sympathy from the media. We have to check the credentials of Loretta Rebello who had rented the place to the group. We also have to check the credentials of the Gurudutt Kamath, mother of one of the victims, who has tried to gain public sympathy by saying she had permitted her son to go for the party,” she said.

4. She also demanded that alcohol consumption at parties be banned. “If anyone wants to hold such parties, they have to take a licence.” (This seems to have been promptly implemented)

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33 thoughts on “Those who beat up the girls were probably not entirely at fault… Necessity knows no law.

  1. I want to understand what goes on in the minds of women who make such statements. Patriarchy is the root cause- i understand. But why will they not do betterment for women, when they are in a position to do so? Is it simple indifference? Or is it that power corrupts? I have no words to say about this -“…youngsters indulging in “immoral activities” are a more pressing issue than the attack on girls and needs to be addressed immediately.”

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  2. And I feel that Pramila and Manjula and all the gang who think like them should be put in an asylum and never let out in public. They should be given a mask like Hannibal Lector so that they are not able to speak.
    I feel that they should be stripped from their positions for mistaking adults with 5 year old children. Will it be ok if a 60 year old man beats up Manjula on the road? After all she is like a child to him. She will definitely take a U turn like Muthalik.
    We all feel a lot of things. Different things. This does not mean we have to inflict our thoughts on others. A country should run on laws instead of whims and fancies.

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      • The mentality of the police, the women’s commission and of most laypeople is incompatible with concepts of individual freedom and rights.
        For all our carping about of equality irrespective of caste/creed/religion it’s worthwhile to remember that it ALSO applies to equality irrespective of lifestyle and social choices. Ironically, civics is taught to children for years, but these important values are glossed over in favour of meaningless facts.

        Our constitution was written by sensible people. Unfortunately, we as a people are not worthy of their legacy to us- we prove that time and again.

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  3. wow. She’s got all the answers, aint she. Per Ms Nesargi we dont need the police and judiciary in place. We can just go beat up whoever we think is ‘wrong’. And why limit it to teenagers…
    Heck, lets all do what we want, what we think is right, and beat up those who dont agree with us. Age, gender no bar. After all, necessity knows no laws. Esp the necessity to have everyone else in the world live by my rules… It’ll also save the tax payers money – not having to maintain an ineffective police and judiciary set up.

    And she’s the State Women’s Commission Chairperson!!?!? Wow. Who put her there?

    Cant express the anger, shame, helplessness and fear I feel that such bozoos, not only exist, but hold positions of authority and supposed responsibility.

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  4. Pramila N and C Manjula, please take a bow. “Those who beat up were not entirely at fault”. wah wah…good good. So you all decide who is right, who is wrong and beat up people when they do what you think is wrong. And Pramila ji, the analogy in your statement is very good. We need people like you to make sure men have all the power to beat up women. And Manjula ji, you did the best thing. When you know things are going against you, you can issue a statement suspecting that the people who were beat up indulged in immoral activities. Please make sure you keep issuing such meaningful statements so that women in our country can continue to feel that they can be controlled by someone else. What would happen to people like you and Mutalik if women in our country took charge of their lives, wore clothes that they like, were independent and lived their own lives? No , no this is not possible. Our country will shine only if we have people like you to make sure our society is controlled by men who beat up women because they do not dress well, they attend parties, and they have a mind of their own. Way to go, ladies.

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  5. Where do such jokers come from anyway?😯 I am truly baffled by the amount of moronic nonsense I hear from different quarters….. And just when I think it can’t get worse, it does. And very badly at that!

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  6. Oh my god… these people should be stripped of their office right away. The last thing this country needs is idiots like Pramila Nesargi or C Manjula holding positions of power in women’s-rights organizations! What an irony, they are no different from those criminals!

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  7. Politicians, male or female, play to the gallery. And the fact is that there is a gallery full of people who will applaud Manjula’s stand. There are parents out there, who, thinking that they can “protect” their children, will willingly sign away their basic rights without even realizing the long term consequences of such actions. No, I dont think Manjula is stupid at all.

    But the more disturbing thing is that if politicians are playing to the gallery, then this is what the people’s mindset is. That anyone can beat up a bunch of young people for what they think they were doing wrong. Even if it was not legally wrong. That beating children is not only OK, it is the duty of the parents to do so.

    There are a lot of comm enters for the article who say “Those goons should not have beaten up the girls….but…”. There is always a but. No absolutes.

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  8. If anyone says ‘happy independence day’, I’ll punch them in the face. We’ve never tasted true independence. We are now slaves to goons, thugs, rapists, thieves, dacoits, murderers, cheats, frauds, dictators, psychopaths – and they have filled each and every post that is so important for governance. Starting from the peon, constable, commissioner, CM and even judges – we are enmeshed. And they came from amidst us.

    I support Anna Hazare’s cause, but not necessarily his methods or thought process. Because the day he said they used to tie up ‘drunkards’ in his village to a tree and beat them so that they gave up alcohol – I felt let down. It is precisely this logic – that a few assume a higher moral ground, and think it is okay to beat and thrash another – that is so, so dangerous. And by repeated support to such acts, we are fast sinking into dark ages.

    And I am sure all these women have children/nieces/nephews studying in the best of ‘posh’ schools, or even studying aborad. And I am sure the family members of these women do enjoy an imported scotch. I am sure the youngsters in these women’s families do enjoy Lady Gaga or Rihanna …just like all the youngsters around the globe. I am sure all the young girls in their families do love to wear jeans and kurtis and high heels. When they do it, it is culture. When other’s do it, it is immoral activity.

    I feel nothing but despair.

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  9. I’m actually getting so sick of hearing such garbage from people in positions of power. Maybe a group of bloggers should unite and start a new political party?🙂 What say – IHM as the next NCW Chairman? I can’t think of a more apt person – you’ll definitely have my vote!🙂

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  10. So what’s new. Yet another idiotic, tortured metaphor from an idiotic ‘leader’. Comparing women to children. Comparing a party to falling into a well.

    Yet another two-bit privileged patriarch politician using her ill-gotten power to stand on a soapbox and mouth off her delusional, batshit insane form of Victorian morality.

    I’m sick to death of these people and their twilight-zone versions of the ‘truth’ and ‘justice’ and ‘the larger picture’ and ‘different contexts’.

    You want to know what the larger picture is? The larger picture is that India is the most dangerous place for women after Afghanistan. The larger picture is that we live in a country where women find it risky to take evening walks.

    And most of all, the larger picture is that if you beat someone up other than in self-defense, YOU AND YOU ALONE ARE RESPONSIBLE for that. Not society, not your victims, not anyone else. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. People understand it all over the world.

    However, it is too much for Pramila ‘holier-than-thou’ Nesargi, the woman who, like many of her ilk, doesn’t deserve to have even a whiff of authority over other human beings (and probably animals too)

    To the blazes with these guys.

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  11. I really don’t know who made C Manjula the chief of NCW. It ought to stand for National Council of Wankers, more like.

    I don’t think they even understand what protecting the rights of women as free citizens actually means. They don’t have to agree with other people’s lifestyles. They just have to ensure people are not getting beaten up for ANY reason.

    Q: “Won’t you beat a child when she does a mistake?”

    A: 1) Adult women are not children and must not be treated like one.

    2) Beating children for making mistakes is a VERY bad idea.

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    • I think organizations like NCW have totally missed the point of their existence – It’s not about ‘protection’ but about empowerment so that they don’t need to depend anyone for ‘protection’.

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  12. So, if I get this right, I am empowered to beat up everyone who I think behaves in an abominable manner? Fine with me! Does anyone here have any evening plans, or would you like to join me in beating up a few abominable politicians?

    //sarcasm

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    • I’d like to do a lot more than just beat her up. Women in rural and even urban Karnataka lead such misreable lives — alcoholism, abandonment and wife abuse are rampant.

      Ask a garment factory worker or a domestic help about her husband’s job and she’s likely to smile sadly and say, “He drinks.” She doesn’t need to say more. You get the picture.😦

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      • The hypocrisy of these people is really sickening. In spite of all the febrile ranting about “rave parties”, the police only found a few beer bottles at the homestay, which suggests that the partygoers were using alcohol in a responsible manner. C Manjula and her ilk nevertheless feel that they can defame the victims of an awful crime, while men who drink themselves into oblivion, then unleash a tsunami of violence on their wives and children don’t elicit any comment from them.

        Pramila Nesargi and C Manjula are patriarchy’s ladies auxiliary. They’re every sanctimonious, nosy, ignorant-as-cowdung neighbourhood auntie writ large. Do either of them have children? Can you imagine what they’d be like as mothers or mothers-in-law?

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  13. And of course, everyone is at the mercy of someone else’s own subjective definition of “wrong”. Everything is “wrong” to someone or the other! Moral of the story – anyone can beat up anyone else on the flimsy excuse that the other person was doing something “wrong”.

    Hey, I have an idea – let’s just rid of the police altogether. While we’re at it, let’s burn all the law books since we don’t need them to tell us what is right and wrong! The judiciary of course can also go since now every random person on the road can become the judge, jury and executioner.

    Stupid…stupid woman. She’d be funny if her ideas weren’t so dangerous. If I liven in another country, I would be laughing right now. But since this is my country I have to hang my head in shame.

    I’m depressed. First, the Manjula person, now this.

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  14. Before giving them posts of such high responsibility, i feel they should all be sent on some kind of cultural exchange program for a year or so, where they should be made to live with people (men and women) from more open cultures.

    Just. To give them Some perspective. To see how it is for a man to actually respect a woman. To see how it a woman can be good/human *and* wear a tube top and shorts😮 . To see how a woman can be SAFE *and* wear a tube top and shorts.

    One can hope.

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