St Stephen’s 40 per cent quota for boys : Reservation for men to continue?

So we are aware that higher education (or any education) in the past was reserved for men, we are also aware that even now many families reserve right (or preference) to education for men, but are you aware that even today some Institutions in South India have a lower cut-off for male students (Because girls seem to be scoring higher.) Another link.

And now this.

Received this from Sraboney this morning.

I’m sure you have read this article http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Girls-rule-Stephen-s-so-panel-proposes-40-quota-for-boys/Article1-850923.aspx

Sixty-five per cent of students in the city’s prestigious St Stephen’s College are women. Hence, to “fix this skewed sex ratio”, a proposal has been moved to reserve 40% of seats for men.

My first reaction was “Go, girls!”

I was disheartened by the following

a) The principal’s proposal and
b) Some of the comments…One commentator thinks “Women are a waste in higher education”…Granted many HT/TOI commentators are trolls but I’m sure a lot of people would agree with him…

What do you think was the rationale behind this proposal?

Related posts:

Reservations For Sons Continues…

In Gurgaon, jobs, safety and roads after 8 pm, reserved for men?

And if a woman demands equality, she should behave exactly like a male…

Reservation by custom and tradition is acceptable.

I do not like reservation.

87 thoughts on “St Stephen’s 40 per cent quota for boys : Reservation for men to continue?

  1. The management must be rueing the day they decided to admit girls!
    Hurray girls!
    Keep it up.
    Will comment later.
    Gotta reserve my place at the top.
    Or has some one already beaten me to it?
    Let’s see
    Regards
    GV

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  2. Historically, the idea of reservations did come in to even out inequity in he past towards certain sections of society. Ideally, choice of a candidate should be on merit.

    Equitability should be guaranteed by addressing those issues that are not in out hands- those due to biology, for instance. By respecting the fact that women experience matrimony and need to care for the child and give support where it is needed. “Women are a waste in higher education,” eh? That is so because the ground is pulled out from beneath her feet by the society’s mindset.

    Here, I think it is more a case of insecurity of the male candidates, for whom everything was given on a silver plate till now, and they are feeling the heat. Why am I not surprised that a predominantly male-oriented institution like the Church is behind it?

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  3. its one of teh stupidest ideas thats comeout from the mind of our esteemed principal in a while.. as a Stephanian, i’m not sure whether to be outraged or amused at the proposal.. thankfully our teachers still have the decency to oppose such silly stunts.. FYI.. its not even a ‘reservation for men’ its more of a ‘quota for CHRISTIAN men’ coz the ratio is lower than the church members would like. the teachers thankfully told them to butt out of the college admission policies and stick to their own job..

    as for the outrage from everyone who hears this.. look at it this way, they need to think up a reason to reserve the seats because for the past four years, boys simply haven’t been getting the high marks required to enter St. Stephen’s College🙂

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  4. excuse me while i laugh my heart out.

    Because 65% of the seats have been taken by women… they want to reserve seats for men… errm… because? What is the disadvantage that men suffer from to deserve this reservation…. aah.. of course. they are UNABLE TO QUALIFY.. year after year.. after all, it IS lot of work to study, eve tease, visit discotheques and show off your father’s money… there isnt enough time to prepare for entrances, you see. girls, on the other hand, have nothing to do… all they do is finish house work, go to college, come home before curfew hours, avoid eve teasing and… errm… prepare for entrances?

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    • I don’t think this is the right kind of argument to make. Historically, women have always been at the receiving end of patronizing comments like “they spend all their time grooming” or “their brains are not smart enough” or “they don’t have the capacity for hard work” etc etc.

      It doesn’t make sense to turn the argument around and say things like “men are unable to qualify” or “they sit and eve tease” etc.

      Stereotyping is wrong both ways and it’s best that we don’t get sucked into degrading or demeaning either gender as a whole.

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      • yes, u’re right. i shld not have done that. the comment was made in sarcasm, and i usually dont do it (in writing). but this idea was so preprosterous that i really couldnt stop laughing.

        the comment should have ended at “they are unable to qualify” and not made further guesses about why boys are not able to qualify for admissions. but i do think that lack of preparation is evident in the selection ratio. boys are not “less suitable” than girls, and they are not “less intelligent” – which means the only reason they are not there (Assuming that they want to be there), is that they are not preparing hard enough for the entrance itself.

        but then again, maybe we should look at the application numbers – maybe, the boys dont want to apply any more to a standard graduation program when so many professional options are available.. hmm.. now thats a thought. perhaps the principal should also evaluate the application to selection ratio to figure out if there is something there.

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  5. Being a Christian and having known how the college functions.? The church is patriarchal, and it gets into their nerves to see women rising higher than boys.! So this might have essentially come from the management of the college comprising of father and other supporters of patriarchy.!

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  6. I think admission to educational institutions should be based on merit, and not any other factor. There is no point in reservations. I have a very bad opinion of the state of higher education in India. But that’s a different topic, I guess.

    Destination Infinity

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  7. Thanks, anne, “how do we know”, and Rinzu for saying what I wanted to say.
    Being a Stephanian will no longer be a mark of academic distinction for any boy who graduates through its portals once this reservation policy is impemented.
    I wonder if the boys demanded this reservation.
    The girls will walk even taller now.

    This is most probably a decision taken for religious reasons.
    But then why not simply be honest about it?
    Simply reserve a share for the Christian Community.
    Many collleges run by minority Christian missionary institutions do it legally and it has not been an issue.
    After class/caste based reservations we are now sadly introducing gender based reservations.

    Earlier this was an all boys college.
    Was the decision to admit girls taken to ensure quality, since there weren’t enough boys available to qualify ?
    If so this is a retrograde step.
    Just compare.
    The Rhodes scholarship at Oxford University was earlier only for men per the will of Cecil Rhodes.
    An act of parliament was needed to throw it open to girls too.
    Since then there have been more and more girls qualifying every year.
    Oxford University / Rodes Trust has not panicked.
    They continue to select only the best in the world, and gender is not an issue.
    I can’t imagine the Rhodes Trust reserving a percentage for boys or girls now
    Why can’t St Stephens do the same?

    Regards
    GV

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    • Since my parents were delhi university prof , i know that the reason the doors were opend for girls was just one , they wanted glamor at that point of time . Yes in 76 era , girls who were taking admission in st Stephan were all from convent colleges and who were “thought ” to provide glamour quotient . There used to be a interview before the admission and those who were not fit for being a future Stephanian were rejected irrespective of the grades . This college had its own rules and regulations and the studious were supposed to go to hindu college

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      • ” i know that the reason the doors were opend for girls was just one , they wanted glamor at that point of time ” I could only snort with amusement at this. The thought that priests would open their doors to women because they wanted “glamour quotient”. If only. If the doors were opened to girls, it was most likely because they knew they had to move with the times, pressure from their own community etc. I can assure you that the last thing on their minds would be glamour quotient.

        However, like other Christian institutions, I’m sure Stephens had/has a quota reserved for Christians which would mean that there would be a large number of Christian women joining the college and because of the quota women (and men) with lower grades than those in the general category were admitted. And the Christian community being more liberal, the women would have been dressed in a manner considered at the time to be glamourous. Hence, the stereotype. But to actually believe that priests recruited women on the basis of glamour….hahahaha.

        It is also possible that people were rejected after an interview. That is, after all, the purpose of an interview. But to suggest that they were rejected because they were not glam enough…. hahahaha.

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    • There is already reservation for Christians at Stephens…

      Reservation for Christians 40%
      Reservation for underprivileged students 15%

      Therefore, less than half of the 400 seats are open to the general category…

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  8. I don’t usually care for my alma mater, but as a ex Stephanian I’m shocked. It’s absolutely absurd that Christian nutjobs seem to have taken up residence in top positions there. How does it matter what percentage of women there are? Let it be 90% for all I care. As long as there is no discrimination AGAINST men it should be irrelevant what the gender percentage is.

    This “reservation mentality” has been so deeply entrenched in the Indian mindset that I despair of us ever being free of it.

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    • Brill idea!

      As a matter of fact, there was a ‘Best Girl Student’ award at IIT-M apart from the ‘Best Student’ award (there was no such exclusively for the boys) We fought hard and had it removed. If we are good enough we will get the ‘Best Student’ award, why this discriminatory ‘Best Girl Student’ nonsense was our logic.

      And in our year the coveted award for all-round excellence was indeed won by a woman, a dear friend, who was far more deserving of it than any other student of either gender. In fact if there was one given out even today, she’d easily win it🙂

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      • i don’t know about iit’s but iim’s try to get a mix of all kind of candidates….. there are lower cutoff’s of arts students /for humanities students/ for doctors/ for people with work ex etc etc just so that the class gets a mix of people with varied backgrounds………….and the no: of women are not even like 10 in a batch of 360 ….. even 5 years back…So I guess they are trying to widen the diversity of their classroom.. rather than have a class with say 90% engineers who all think the same way… . N, i am not sure about now but till 5 yrs back there were a lot of ppl who used to frown about a women entering a top b school as it lowers ur “marriage potential”. ” it is very difficult to get a guy post mba”. even iim guys dont want iim gals.( true to a large extent…a lot of ex classmates used to boast that at best they will marry a s/w engg but never a gal from an iim) so you can just imagine the entry barriers for a lady vis a vis a man. And once you are in there is no slack. no concession for arts/ sciencce engg/ male female in an IIM. you have the same cutoffs in quant, accounts, costing law et. no best male/female student… just best students.

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        • Indu, in my IIM batch, there were 10 women (out of 120) and all but one (who was already engaged before she came to the IIM) married batchmates (including yours truly!) and this is more than a decade back🙂

          But yes in general agree with what you say re the marriage potential bit. My own folks were given a lot of gyaan by folks about how foolish they were to let me go on from IIT (which was bad enough considering marriage potential) to an IIM and making matters worse. I guess I was super-smart when I was choosing my parents so they simply shrugged it off😉

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        • N,

          Same story here. I too married my batchmate😀. Well most of us girls married our classmates. And my parents too shrugged off what public said.

          But then a lot of guys in my batch used to pass this comment ” i will marry a s/w engg at best: She will earn enough but not a fellow iim gal. And the reason was outright ugly and infact rude. The reason ” u never know whom they slept with in campus n how much they drink/smoke”

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        • Can’t reply to your last comment Indu, so am doing it here – re such folks, well, good luck, may they find someone they are happy with🙂

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  9. I personally think reservation should be practised for both men and women in all colleges. A 50-50 ratio is a healthy one. But this move at Stephen’s is terribly unfair because India’s engineering/science colleges do not have reservation for women. In general, a balanced ratio will boost men in social sciences and humanities and women in science and engineering till, hopefully, the divisions are done away with forever. But of course, let men dominate in the fields they are dominating in, having reservation for women in those will only “lower” the standards, whereas having reservations for men in a field dominated by stupid, inferior females can only make things better? *sarcasm*

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    • All these years of there being about 1 in 50 men at IIT s and IIMs and no one thought of reservation for women, and suddenly, when the women do better, authorities leap to restore balance?!

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    • I don’t believe in 50-50 reservations. Why should it be there? Why not then have 2% reservations for Christians, 13% reservations for Muslims, proportionate reservations for south Indians, reservations for brown eyed people etc?

      Gender is irrelevant. Color of eyes is irrelevant. People should get in on merit. Nothing else.

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      • I don’t see anything wrong when Christian Institutions reserve up to 50% or more for Christians who do not get on merit in other colleges.

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        • First, this is an extremely complicated topic that needs its own thread and there is great disagreement even at the highest levels on what is acceptable. I will try to be as short as possible.

          The primary objection to reservation based on religion is that it encourages conversion (note that it is dramatically harder to quickly change one’s socio-economic status and even harder to switch castes). The currently held view by India’s legal system is that religious conversion is encouraged as long as it is “only through the exposition of its tenets”, for at some level the offering of incentives for conversion is similar to a threat of harm for non conversion.

          The second objection is that many minority institutes directly and indirectly receive the support of the government. Of course, as you know, tax collections are not sorted by religion so expecting the minorities to benefit from other sources of taxes is somewhat questionable. And then, even the fully self funded institutes today have received an enormous head start from the days of British Raj where cities grew hand in hand with land allotments for churches, which of course had no basis in democratic process.

          There is a lot more I could write. Perhaps, when I get around to it, we can discuss it in my blog when I get around to it next month.

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  10. Reservations are meant to be a bridging device to give those extremely physically or socially and economically disadvantaged a fair chance to gain an education in a system based on competitive exams. Since the majority of men would not fall into this category, I don’t see the need for reservations for them.

    As for all the smug pronounciations of Merit… Sigh.

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  11. You don’t have to agree with the commenter but he is right. Around 50% of indias population are girls whose parents just want to get rid of them by marrying them off.

    Frankly speaking, I wouldn’t keep girls in my organization myself. They think 85% marks in high school and college is enough to qualify themselves into an organization. A back office role at the most.

    I don’t dislike women. It is just that I don’t find a use for them in a company.

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    • It is just that I don’t find a use for them in a company.

      I hope you are either simply kidding or trying to generally say stuff you think will provoke folks.

      If not, well, the feeling is mutual.

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    • Um, usually when someone uses phrases like ‘I’m not trying to say …’, or ‘It’s not like I’m against…’ , the fact of the matter is they are saying exactly that. So don’t come here saying you don’t dislike women, you definitely dislike them, and considering that most companies have a policy stating they will not discriminate against a person based on gender, religion, sexuality, etc, your reasoning is completely wrong! Hope the likes of you never get into HR positions…

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  12. Lol , This is unfair , not gender equality at all . men should have reservation ! just like women should have reservation and privileges for them in every sphere of life (as per feminist women these days = most woman ) All right ! In Delhi university there are around 65 colleges out of which approx 15 are only for woman and the co-eds have lower cut offs for females like up to 5% , lol seriously ? therefore there are more number of females getting chances in DU And now iits and iims have low cut offs for females , but why ? what was wrong in giving 40% reservation to men when you see so many reservation for woman here and there:/ remove all the undeserving privileges given to women in work , education , law , society and mindset and then we will be cool with it . India is hardcore feminist . Period .

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    • Excuse me, there are no ‘low cut-offs’ for women at the IITs and the IIMs. The only allowances of that nature are caste-based (ST/SC etc).

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    • “co-eds have lower cut offs for females like up to 5%.”
      I did my undergrad from Delhi university but failed to notice this peculiar phenomenon of having lower 2 to 5 %. Lower cut offs for girls. Agreed they are there and I don’t know why? Probably to increase diversity. I (a feminist ) personally don’t agree with this policy of theirs. Except for around 5-6 colleges, all the colleges of Delhi university have the same cut off for both girls and boys.

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      • And by the way feminism isn’t about giving undeserving privileges to women. There are so many unwritten reservations for men, that sometimes to make women more equal, it becomes important to use positive discrimination. I really wish for a day when we don’t need quotas and reservations anymore for we would have already achieved genuine equality.

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        • check this out ! DU cut off less for girls , written everywhere:/ 5-6 colleges are enough to get into DU , it pinches me I’m telling you , I came from Bihar all alone here, studied in govt school , school was full of hooligans ,tried to be equal in personality with you urban people , earned bread for myself and now paying for my own education in other university , couldn’t get into north campus was getting all the evening b.com colleges , but the lower cut off for girls ,sc ,st, I don’t know why ? the mindset on girls education has changed , there are rich sc st people , therefore there is no need to encourage now , everything is alright . If someone really wants to do anything these days there is no stopping him/her , there is no need of any kind of support or reservation . Lets stop whining about things we don’t have (especially feminist woman), why not earn it ? Lazy enough to do the hard work ?

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        • Abhishek, your struggle is commendable and I hope that, given your difficult circumstances, you were able to get some help. Many colleges have scholarships for students in economic need but I understand it’s hard to access them.

          Sadly, the mindset on girl’s education has not changed. It may have changed among a narrow section of the population and even among them, if it is a choice between a brother’s education and his sister’s he will get the priority. Everything is sadly not “alright” as our skewed sex ratio shows.

          What makes you think that those “whining” don’t work hard?

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  13. Excuse me, there are no ‘low cut-offs’ for women at the IITs and the IIMs. The only allowances of that nature are caste-based (ST/SC etc).

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  14. @indianhomemaker don’t state customs as reservations , fun is restricted to men like clubs and all that are totally wrong😛 you have woman only nights in so many clubs , girls go to parties in good costly clothes , they have a lot of fun . this point is wrong . Totally . They do all kinds of “pagalpanti” on streets . (by pagalpanti I mean the fun kind of ) . The fact that women are not allowed to work late nights maybe is because of the govt and your family is concerned about your security . But its up to you people only . nobody tells you these days about career . And if they say then obviously they are concerned , it not any kind of discrimination .
    What do you mean by second chance ? joyously welcomed reserved for men ? oh wow ! I’m in the right blog😛 I’m myself an orphan and I was not joyously welcomed into this world , my world stabilized just a year ago , until then I JUST SURVIVED somehow ,somehow . Obviously I’m thankful to few people for whom I’m what I’m now . but still , You seem little narrow minded , I don’t know if some kind of discrimination happened with you or not .Try to look at the bigger picture ?
    I don’t know about woman reservation bill so wont comment , again if there are 181 seats reserved for men then protest to remove it and not to bring reservation for woman😛

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    • Abhishekdasgupta – Do you know we have a skewed sex ratio in India – millions more men than women? Why do you think Indian parents don’t want to have daughters, why do they kill their unborn daughters?

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      • why wouldn’t I know ? We were talking about reservation ! You have to drag the sex ratio problem in between ? Don’t tell me , don’t ask me , ask those parents who do so . keep writing blogs and whining about things and not actually doing anything . I don’t know if u have joined any ngo or not if not then plz do so:/ your blogs are not going to help anyway.😛

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        • Sex ratio is only a symptom of the real problem. What makes Indian parents kill their own girl-children? When there was no way to abort baby girls, didn’t we see either abandoned baby girls or infanticide?
          Do you really believe social issues should not be discussed unless one joins an NGO?

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      • why wouldn’t I know ? we were talking about reservation ! Don’t tell me , don’t ask me , ask those parents who do it . Lol , I think when you have a boy , parent tend to think less about them ,they think he is going to do everything on his own😛 they are less serious about their career and have an attitude like “kuch na kuch toh ho hi jayega” they don’t give him any restrictions or impose any kind of discipline and those boys keep roaming around here and there and eventually get into bad habits (talking about those class of people who do might do female feticide , if you think that guys are taken care of very well then you are talking about families where female feticide don’t take place ) The lower class families with low income like 5000 per month and low education may think that if a girl is born we have to take care of her , give special attention and also save money for her marriage , whereas if a guy is born , we may or may not educate him or take care of him at the end of the day he might earn some 10-12k by doing some petty labor and may get some money in dowry (dowry is specific to few culture , its among few people not with every caste or culture )

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        • Abhishekdasgupta if we don’t ask questions, we can’t hope to find answers, it’s okay to ask questions and to seek answers.
          You have pointed out,
          //parent tend to think less about them ,they think he is going to do everything on his own😛 they are less serious about their career and have an attitude like “kuch na kuch toh ho hi jayega” they don’t give him any restrictions or impose any kind of discipline//

          Please ask yourself, what makes Indian parents feel this way about sons (and daughters)?

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    • Although officially women have the same legal status as men, they still have to live with a very patriarchal system in place in modern India. You can deny all you want but women have been victims of systematic discrimination and oppression. I am privileged in many senses; I belong to a liberal family. While my parents never discriminated between me and my brother and provided us with the same opportunities, I have seen many of my friends being discriminated against and being denied access to the same resources and opportunities as their brothers. And I am talking about educated, financially well to do families here. I have also known families that have aborted a child, simply because it happens to have a vagina.
      While progress has been made, lot of things remain unchanged-traditions are not something that can be altered easily by law. In many parts of India women are consigned almost entirely to the home and subjected to degrading treatment. Many are subject to oppression and violence from men. While male domination is of such inequality, the females have a part of play in consenting to the perpetuation of such a practice. A lot of women are not empowered to break out of their suppressed spheres of life.
      Even in modern upward part of the society where women are provided education and “allowed a career” many subtle form of discrimination occur and street sexual harassment, the double burden of paid work and domestic labor, and increasing crimes against women are pertinent issues for us liberal, privileged women who can go out at nights and have fun just like our male counterparts.
      The situation is not as hunky dory as you seem to believe. You can take this as whining for all I care. And by the way no one here is asking for reservation for women or favoritism. Nobody here is too lazy to do hard work. All of us have achieved what we sought to achieve because of our dedication and merit. We don’t yearn for any niceties; we want a just and equal society, which we recognize is a work in progress.

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  15. some how i have a feeling that reservation system at higher eduction can at least be removed and seats can be given to merit students despite the sex.

    i am sure most men would be delighted knowing there is a reservation for them also..😛.

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  16. http://rinzurajan.blogspot.in/2012/05/patriarchal-absurdity-in-21st-century.html

    Christian society is not liberal.! The west is a different picture.! being an Indian Christian, I’ve known the pain.! And seen it all.!

    A christian institution can never admit women into bastion, to add glamour.! It is absurd.! It was done to do away with the tag of “All men’s college” and later “male dominated college”.!

    This skewed sex ratio in colleges teaching pure science and arts courses is observed since most guys go for engineering, where the story is a different one.!

    Is the west racist.? What are we then.? Reservations based on caste, colour and creed.! What picture does it give the west.? About us.!

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    • I agree. Christians are no more liberal than Muslims or any other religion. I know many Christian girls, and I would not associate them with glamour at all, so I don’t know where this is coming from.

      As for the west, most institutions that people refer to as progressive are secular. As we all know, the Catholic Church is also rooted in the west, and spreads its tentacles all over the western world. And there can’t be anything much more regressive than its tenets.

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  17. Hi IHM,

    I agree that top slots in all fields are captured by women these days,but this is the first time i have come across any incident where seats are reserved for men.

    The basic reason as already mentioned in the link is to fix the gender imbalance.

    If boys reservation seems a big issue to you, what would you say about this?
    1) Women reservation bill demanding 33% seats reserved in parliament houses. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Reservation_Bill)
    2) There is no fee being charged by UPSC for female candidates for any examination.
    3) Separate tax slab rates for women.
    4) Separate queues for girls at any booking center.
    5) Likely Quota for girls in IITs and IIMs (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2007-08-14/news/27687944_1_girl-students-iits-quota)
    6) Preference to girls in IIM K (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-06-30/education/29720962_1_iim-k-management-kozhikode-post-graduate-programme)

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  18. There has been a lot of men bashing here.Are you aware that Lady Shriram ,Miranda House and fourteen other colleges are exclusively reserved for women….means hundred percent reservation for women in these Delhi Colleges but then nobody criticizes this.At one time Saint Stephen was for boys and Lady Shriram College was for girls.St Stephen has opened its door for women while Lady Shriram has not opened its door for boys.
    Even in this era Lady Hardings Medical College in Delhi has not opened its door for boys.
    Reservation for Women— Are you aware that every state government has quota for women in all jobs even in posts like deputy suprintendent of Police and deputy collector and 33 percent reservation in all professional colleges.

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    • Vibhuti why do you think do we need colleges and schools just for girls? Do we have similar reasons to create colleges etc.for just men? Do you see this kind of reservations as harmful or beneficial to the society, in the present scenario?

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  19. I am not talking of Schhols or Colleges only for women or men.I am talking about double standards.Everyone is condemning five percent quota (35 percent on marks and 5 percent quota to total 40 percent in St Stephen-not implemented) in St Stephen but nobody is condemning hundred percent women’s quota in lady shriram and fourteen other colleges.
    Also you may not beleive this but this is true– There is 33 percent quota for women in state jobs and professional courses.But if a SC ,ST candidate gets marks equal to general the he/she is deemed to be selected from general category.Same benefits for women– if a woman candidate has earned seat on merit then she is counted in general category and her seat in girls quota is filled by another girl with less marks.It is no surprise that there is feminization of jobs in state administrative services and business colleges.Among general category posts for Deputy suprintendent of Police in Madhya Pradesh five out of total seven seats have been captured by women.

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      • You are going off the topic.Orignal post was about 40 percent quota (five percent in reality) in St Stephens college to which I replied that there is hundred percent quota for women in fifteen of Delhi Colleges.If you are a feminist then you should avoid double standards.
        Your above two links are off topic here.I can reply them but that will take too long.I will just give two examples –after reservation in parliaments -men cannot contest in constituencies reserved for women.However women can contest in all seats apart from seats reserved for them.
        You are talking off SELF RELIANCE a must for women and avoid dependent position of housewife.However western feminists are now teaching men to lose self reliance and become househusbands.Indeed a large number of men in western societies are now househusbands dependent on their wives for everything including pocketmoney.Indeed feminist media has made it fashionable trend.

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        • IHM, I sincerely hope that my comment would see the light of day as those of others on this forum.

          @ Vibhuti

          I completely agree, Why this discrimination against MEN?

          It’s so frustrating for guys, just out of school looking to secure admission in good prestigious colleges. Working hard through out the year and doing rounds of colleges in the sweltering summer heat (I am talking about Delhi & Delhi University in this case) only to realize that the less meritorious girls were able to gain admission in a good college of their choice while they.weren’t able to do so.

          And what is hilarious, rather shocking that there are reservations for girls even for entrance to the medical colleges of Delhi University where an entire college LHMC (Lady Hardinge Medical College) is a girls’s only medical college;

          What about an equivalent boy’s only medical college?

          We all know how hard these medical and engineering college entrance exams are and to discriminate against the boys is so wrong. Please leave the medical field alone; atleast the admission process here should be purely on the basis of merit & such step-motherly treatment that is meted out to boys in favour of girls is competely incongruous.
          Thanks to this biased reservation, we surely might be having a less meritorious (or may be highly Unqualified) female surgeon cut open the poor patient’s body at the surgeon’s table nervously wondering what to do next, just because she was preferred years ago over a male candidate by our essentially flawed admission system (he was highly intelligent and well qualified to a be medical student but how does it matter?? Right? His mistake is his gender)

          Here the LIVES ARE AT STAKE and the admission in such fields has to be strictly on the basis of MERIT and not some gender preference.
          I do know that it is quite possible for a girl/girls is/are be more qualified than a boy/boys, but the admission procedure doesn’t work against them; it serves as a hindrance to the guys.

          Let’s turn a blind eye towards the apathy of the men because ‘From when did the tormentors (the men) became the tormented’? That scenario doesn’t exist!
          Hush-Hush; let’s keep quiet and move on.

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    • @ Vibhuti

      I completely agree, Why this discrimination against MEN?

      It’s so frustrating for guys, just out of school looking to secure admission in good prestigious colleges. Working hard through out the year and doing rounds of colleges in the sweltering summer heat (I am talking about Delhi & Delhi University in this case) only to realize that the less meritorious girls were able to gain admission in a good college of their choice while they.weren’t able to do so.

      And what is hilarious, rather shocking that there are reservations for girls even for entrance to the medical colleges of Delhi University where an entire college LHMC (Lady Hardinge Medical College) is a girls’s only medical college;

      What about an equivalent boy’s only medical college?

      We all know how hard these medical and engineering college entrance exams are and to discriminate against the boys is so wrong. Please leave the medical field alone; atleast the admission process here should be purely on the basis of merit & such step-motherly treatment that is meted out to boys in favour of girls is competely incongruous.
      Thanks to this biased reservation, we surely might be having a less meritorious (or may be highly Unqualified) female surgeon cut open the poor patient’s body at the surgeon’s table nervously wondering what to do next, just because she was preferred years ago over a male candidate by our essentially flawed admission system (he was highly intelligent and well qualified to a be medical student but how does it matter?? Right? His mistake is his gender)

      Here the LIVES ARE AT STAKE and the admission in such fields has to be strictly on the basis of MERIT and not some gender preference.
      I do know that it is quite possible for a girl/girls is/are be more qualified than a boy/boys, but the admission procedure doesn’t work against them; it serves as a hindrance to the guys.

      Let’s turn a blind eye towards the apathy of the men because ‘From when did the tormentors (the men) became the tormented’? That scenario doesn’t exist!
      Hush-Hush; let’s keep quiet and move on.

      Let’s have a look at the law governing ADULTERY in INDIA.
      The man is prosecutable and can be sentenced for up to five years (even if he himself was unmarried) whereas the married woman cannot be jailed in such a case. A woman cannot be prosecuted.
      But this issue will not be raised/voiced by many so-called custodians of Indian women’s rights because gender discrimination is wrong in India only as long as it’s the women who are being discriminated against.

      Gender neutral laws? What’s that? Huh!!

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  23. One thing missing from arguments is presence of women-only colleges like LSR in DU. Is that not 100% reservation for girls in specific colleges. Shouldn’t we campaign for removing such bars as well?

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