An email. My brother has threatened that he will go ahead as per his plans.

Sharing an email from ‘A worried daughter’.

Dear IHM,

I read your latest post today & then followed on to the link for another post you had done on 22.06.11 – “100 percent of the elderly surveyed stated that their DILs abused them the most”. [link]

I would like to tell you a little about my family – we were a small family – parents, myself and a younger brother. I’m a post-graduate, married with no children, and holding a good job abroad. My brother, who is six years younger to me, and is living in the same city as myself, got married a year after me and since then, whatever we had as a family, has been destroyed.

My parents were settled in India. Since my Dad had retired from a private concern, he didn’t have any pension to speak of. They spent everything on giving us the best possible education.

Three-four years before retirement, he purchased some land in our ancestral village in my name and also constructed a house there. (Mine is quite a late marriage & I have contributed significantly to the construction of this house as well as towards the monthly expenses for my parents). The plan was that everyone will live together happily & the house was supposed to be a security for me, being a daughter. He also exchanged a plot of land adjacent to this property with another of his relatives and directly registered the same on my brother’s name.

All my earnings have been used to keep my parents in a reasonable good lifestyle as I am aware of the sacrifices they had done to bring us up. My brother on the other hand has been money conscious from a very young age and has lived either at home or with me abroad and has saved every penny of his earnings and purchased flats & property in his own name. We were ok with that and happy for him as he was the baby of the house.

Immediately after marriage, (he married into a family with only one daughter & no other siblings), he & his in laws started pressurizing my dad to turn over the house (which is in my name but in which my parents were residing), over to his name. According to them, the house should be given to the younger son of the family. This was not possible and the harassment kept on growing.

At this point I have to tell you that his wife did not stay even for a single day in our house after marriage and also made the situation such a hell in our home abroad that me & my husband moved out to keep peace in the family. (I did mention that my brother was living with me & where he was concerned, everyone in my family was submissive & bowed down to his wishes. He gets quite violent otherwise & nobody can stomach it). Things came to a head when I met with an accident while vacationing in India and had to recuperate at home. My brother & his wife came down one day and physically assaulted me & my mom and my dad was left standing like a statue by the shock of it all. He passed away due to a stroke some months later and my brother had the audacity to tell my mom that she should never call him or try to get in touch with him ever again as he would like to live his life in peace. My mother has never contacted him and it took me & my husband more than a year to get her to come out of all this ugly situation and start living normally.

Unfortunately for us, my brother’s in laws live quite near to us & they along with my bother have spread ugly rumours about my mother & me & have told all & sundry that we have kicked him out of the house without a penny. It’s difficult for my mom to face all this when she does happen to attend family functions. My bother has a very polished & charming image outside the family and bcoz. my parents were very very private people, these facts are not known to anyone outside. My mother still keeps a stoic silence on all this. My bother on the other hand looks thu’ my mother if he happens to meet her anywhere during his vacations back to the hometown.

Between me & my husband, we have been taking good care of my mother and were hoping to bury the past when now out of the blue this brother of mine has surfaced and demanded that we should build a boundary wall between my property & his as he wishes to break off some portion of the boundary wall on his side to have ready access to his property. We are agreeable as long as he approaches my mother & brings in the village officials for the boundary demarcation. She has categorically stated that she will not entertain his in laws. She lives alone on the said property & in reply he has threatened that he need not contact anyone & will go ahead as per his plans.

I am sorry for such a long story but I felt it was necessary to give you the whole picture.

My questions are :

1. What rights do mothers have in such a scenario?

2. It is lucky that I am earning and am able to take good care of her and also have the full support of my husband in doing so. What if that was not the case – what if I was a house wife & not earning, or if my husband was not so supportive? What recourses would my mother have had then?

3. We do not need any maintenance from my so called brother but if my mother had approached the courts for the same, would they have forced her to live with him?

Unfortunately, since both my husband & myself are outside India – all we can do is take care of her financial needs and call her on a daily basis & make sure she is ok.

It would really help me if you could post this on your blog and I could get the advice from all your well read commentators. It has taken a lot of thinking & courage on my part to bring out all this family dirt out in the open but I really would like to know if things as severe as this do happen outside? If so, how do the survivors tackle & move on with their lives?

[If this info will help you in any way – we are Keralites and my mother lives in Kerala now. I live in the Middle East and she refuses to move in with us as the lifestyle here is not conducive or healthy for senior citizens besides which she has pets back home who won’t live without her.]

Thanks a lot.

A worried daughter.

35 thoughts on “An email. My brother has threatened that he will go ahead as per his plans.

    • From what I have understood: The brother is the legal owner of one (although he has not paid or contributed towards it), sister the other, both are being used by the mother. (The assumption must have been the siblings get their share after the parents demise).

      Now the brother wants to claim his share and the email writer says, //We are agreeable as long as he approaches my mother & brings in the village officials for the boundary demarcation.// It is easy and common to cheat during boundary demarcation – and this could indicate that his intentions are not good.

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  1. ——————
    extracts from Worried Daughter’s mail
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    My comments
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    Immediately after marriage, (he married into a family with only one daughter & no other siblings), he & his in laws started pressurizing my dad to turn over the house (which is in my name but in which my parents were residing), over to his name. According to them, the house should be given to the younger son of the family. This was not possible and the harassment kept on growing.

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    I am totally unable to understand this demand.
    Was this agreed before the wedding between your parents and those in-laws?
    Your brother has another plot given by your father.
    The house your mother lives in is in YOUR name.
    Your brother has also purchased flats and property in his own name.
    Why should there be any dispute?
    Ask your mother to ignore your brother.
    You and your husband should firmly tell your brother to back off.
    For safety, collect all the property documents and keep them in YOUR custody.
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    At this point I have to tell you that his wife did not stay even for a single day in our house after marriage and also made the situation such a hell in our home abroad that me & my husband moved out to keep peace in the family.
    I did mention that my brother was living with me & where he was concerned, everyone in my family was submissive & bowed down to his wishes. He gets quite violent otherwise & nobody can stomach it).
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    Again I am unable to understand this.
    Your brother and his wife were living in YOUR home and you and your husband had to move OUT? Strange. You and and your husband should have asked HIM to move out, or rather GET OUT! If he was violent, you should have sought legal or police help.
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    ….and my brother had the audacity to tell my mom that she should never call him or try to get in touch with him ever again as he would like to live his life in peace.
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    Really? Good riddance to bad rubbish. Tell him also that he also should not call you or try to get in touch with you ever again. Your mom should steel herself. I think her maternal emotions are getting in the way of what seems to me a simple solution to this problem.
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    Unfortunately for us, my brother’s in laws live quite near to us & they along with my bother have spread ugly rumours about my mother & me & have told all & sundry that we have kicked him out of the house without a penny. It’s difficult for my mom to face all this when she does happen to attend family functions. My bother has a very polished & charming image outside the family and bcoz. my parents were very very private people, these facts are not known to anyone outside. My mother still keeps a stoic silence on all this.
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    Simply ignore what your brother and his in laws say. If you are concerned about a bad reputation, then don’t keep quiet. Explain the real situation to relatives and close friends who matter to you. You are confiding in us, total strangers. Why not confide in real friends and close relatives too? Don’t allow your brother to garner sympathy. It’s time your mom opened out and not just suffered in stoic silence.
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    …this brother of mine has surfaced and demanded that we should build a boundary wall between my property & his as he wishes to break off some portion of the boundary wall on his side to have ready access to his property. We are agreeable as long as he approaches my mother & brings in the village officials for the boundary demarcation. She has categorically stated that she will not entertain his in laws. She lives alone on the said property & in reply he has threatened that he need not contact anyone & will go ahead as per his plans.
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    Don’t allow him to do anything with your property.
    Complain to the authorities. Ask them to issue warnings to him directly.
    Stop treating him as a brother. He is now your family’s enemy.
    As long as your mom continues to be weak, you will suffer. The solution lies in your mother taking a firm stand with the support of her daughter and son in law and shows her recalcitrant son his place.
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    My questions are :
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    1. What rights do mothers have in such a scenario?
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    I am not a lawyer but I believe if the papers are okay, you and your mother should have no problems fending him off. Is there a will? If not ask your mom to write a will right away.
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    2. It is lucky that I am earning and am able to take good care of her and also have the full support of my husband in doing so. What if that was not the case – what if I was a house wife & not earning, or if my husband was not so supportive? What recourses would my mother have had then?
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    A hypothetical question. You are earning. Your husband is supportive. Why are you asking this question at all?
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    3. We do not need any maintenance from my so called brother but if my mother had approached the courts for the same, would they have forced her to live with him?
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    Again a hypothetical question and I am wondering why you are worrying about it as you dont need any maintenance. Besides I am not a lawyer so I can’t say what the courts would decide.
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    Your story is not uncommon. I have known worse cases.
    You are better off than some persons I know.
    Take heart. You, your husband and your mother should get together plan out a strategy.

    Ask your mom to draft a will and get it registered or notarised or whatever.
    Then serve notice on your recalcitrant brother. The solution is in your and your mother’s hands only and I don’t see what is holding you back unless your mother’s maternal affections are getting in the way.

    I hope you solve your problem.
    Regards
    GV

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    • GV,
      10/10🙂 Two thumbs up from DG.
      what if I was a house wife & not earning, or if my husband was not so supportive? What recourses would my mother have had then?
      Same as you as a dependent spouse, penury.
      So bless your stars and treat it as a bad karma and move on.
      Peace,
      Desi Girl

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      • Thanks DG.
        I wonder just what in my comment brought on those 3 ( till now) thumbs down.
        Sigh!
        You can’t please everyone.
        But knowing how tough it is to please you, I can take those 3 thumbs down in my stride.
        Regards
        GV

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        • Hello DG
          On the contrary.
          It is a case of “long time, no write” at DG;s blog
          I used to keep checking some months ago and found you haven’t been updating your blog.
          Even your comments on IHM’s blogs had become rare.
          So out of sight, out of mind!
          Now, it is a case of “back in sight, back in mind”
          I will drop by henceforth once a week at least to see what is new at your web site.
          Regards

          GV

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    • Totally agree.

      For 3. though I sense the family may be thinking about the Indian law (I understand such a law exists) that makes it mandatory for adult children to support their parents. I would urge them not to bother with this route as why be associated with such a horrible person?

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  2. Your/Your mother’s rights to the property depend on relevant state legislation. This is a highly complex subject, and I suggest that you contact a lawyer who is well versed in the state laws on the subject.

    Regarding your second question, your mother would in that case have had the right to file an application with the Kerala Tribunal for the Maintenance of Parents under the Maintenance and Welfare of Parents and Senior Citizens Act, 2007, demanding maintenance from you and/or your brother. This Tribunal would have examined her case, and prescribed an appropriate amount, if it found that your mother could not legally support herself on her own. Since you would be legally bound by this diktat, there is no question of your husband not being supportive. The Tribunal would also have made interim arrangements for maintenance while the facts of the case were being examined.

    As for the third question, Freedom of Movement is a fundamental right under Article 19(1)(d) of the Constitution and as such, the judiciary, executive or legislature have no power to restrict a person’s right to live and work in any part of India, except in cases of general public interests, or to protect certain special populations. No court can force a person to live at a place they don’t want to; your brother would have been free to stay wherever he wanted even if the Tribunal found in your mother’s favor.

    Undoubtedly, your brother has chosen to behave in a deplorable manner. Your situation isn’t exactly commonplace, but I’m sure you’re not the only one facing it either.

    I cannot help but highlight the benefits which have been derived from you having your own income. As it is, events have not unfolded very well, but the situation would have been immeasurably worse if you had no income and your mother was reduced to moving the court just to sustain herself. The courts provide amounts for sustenance, not for a good standard of living.
    Now, you’re free to help your mother out in the way you wish, and a supportive husband is just a bonus.

    Your mother should be proud of you.

    You’ve done exceedingly well under the circumstances, and a chat with an attorney would probably help you resolve your current situation too.

    Best of luck!

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  3. If what I know is right Kerala has a law against such harassments by sons or daughters. She can demand an amount from her son. Taking care – its better they don’t. Spreading rumours nothing can be done. In any case of physical abuse the law is at ur help.

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  4. I think it’s important for this lady to seek legal advice. It’s important to understand the situation from a legal perspective.

    Legal means is not easy, neither is it cheap, and if this situation goes to the courts it can be nasty and time consuming too. Sometimes, it better to give a little-bit to get yourself and your family out of the situation. I’m not saying do as your brother says but give into little of what he is saying but make all decision a binding agreement for future references.

    The other option is to try all means possible to make your brother see sense, bring in some respectable elders who can talk to him, outside of his comfort-zone, or try to broker a deal which leaves both sides happy – the problem is, if he is being forced into this by his in-laws then unfortunately no matter what you do, they will never let the situation rest.

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  5. Letter writer,

    Why didn’t you call the police on your brother when he physically assaulted you and your mother?

    Maybe you can get a restraining order against him, that will prevent him and his family members from having ready access to your house, especially when you’re not in the country.

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  6. I agree with @nish and @PT that going to a lawyer and talking about the whole situation with them will help.You dont have to get your brother to agree to going to a lawyer. Just make sure you understand your rights, your mother’s rights in the whole property from someone legal so that you will be in a better position to deal with your brother. Just because he is the “baby of the family” and had his way all through his life does not mean you/your mother has to listen to everything he says and be threatened by him.

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  7. Ok 2 parents spent everything they had to raise , educate and indulge 2 kids without saving anything for their retirement ?. Fine next thing they gave property bought with their money to their indulged son?
    Now he turns greedy adn wants more more more…

    what is done is done, now wisen up, tether the existing property properly, have your mom write a will. She can counter the bad-reputation with her version of the thruth or she can ignore it.

    As for your SIl, it’s quite irritating to move into your spouse’s sister’s home after marriage – your brother is an idiot for doing that. anyway you should have asked them to move, yes he was spoilt but now he’s an adult and you can stop the spoiling, if he gets violent if he doesn’t get his way – he is due for some anger mgmt therapy, it is your husband’s house too, I’m sure he’s quite capable of tossing him out .

    everyone living happily together in 1 house is a recipe for disaster, everyone living happily, meeting regularly, being supportive, emotionally and physically and living in their own dwellings is probably the best way to go.

    never mind you’ve learned, now would be time to implement all your learning.
    As for your brother not wanting any contact, well that’s life. my parental family didn’t want any contact with me for going against them, yet life went on🙂

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        • Thank you sir and IHM, we see these cases around us on a regular basis, yet parents never learn, Just last week our driver’s BIL took his in-laws property and threw them on the streets, they were hand cart vendors and had a decent living, raised 2 kids, educated them, both of them are doing quite well and then when the son got married, the parents stopped working, wrote all property to the brother and transferred money and split it between the kids and went to stay with their son???

          Both of them are healthy and have enough to survive in an OK state.

          I didn’t understand,
          1. Why didn’t they keep their house?
          2. What was the rush to hand over their saving to help the son buy something?
          3. What is the need to go and settle in the son’s house. He’s just married.

          Now they are suffering and our driver is taking care of them and his parents ..not that he minds, but the financial strain and drama is taking a tool on him and his wife. Why are healthy couples not content with their spouse’s companionship? Why would you give your savings to a person and expect him to take care of you?
          Sigh maybe I’m just too old and jaded, and tired, I’ll be so glad when my sons get their own lives I’m day dreaming about the things I’ll do when they set off to college😉 I’m happy for them but it’s also like we did a good job and now it’ time to reap the rewards and treat ourselves to a grand time… or maybe I’m just weird and old.

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  8. I hate to add but your brother is probably a prime candidate to remain single. Basically he’s violent, spoiled, greedy, wants his way in everything, physically abusive and god knows what else — hopefully this was a love marriage and he picked the girl and she picked him after knowing one another.. if this was an arranged match and the grooms parents didn’t divulge all his crazyness before hand and hid it I’m not surprised his wife and her family are angry, I’d be ripping him apart too — especially in the Indian context where she can’t even dump him for his temper.

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  9. I don’t understand what is really the problem here. I understand that you have a brother who is no better than a thug and who has spread rumors about you and your mom. But on the plus side neither of you are dependent on this thug, so in that respect you are better off than a lot of others in similar situations (throw a stone in India and you will hit someone having a property dispute with relatives or neighbors). Illegal construction on govt land, or other people’s property is depressingly commonplace as well as threats of violence. My parents had a dispute for yrs with the people who lived in the flat above ours in Delhi, because they (the neighbors) would insist on all sorts of remodeling of their flat and in the process caused tremendous water and structural damage in our flat. My father’s official complaints only resulted in those neighbors giving a hefty bribe to the police and further bad blood between them and us.
    My point in relating this story is that even if your mother could be helped legally why would you go that route unless something useful will come of it. Since you want nothing from him how does it matter if it he is legally obliged to take care of your mother. Unless you want to know what rights do you have wrt to your own property, in that case consulting a lawyer will be useful.
    Your brother sounds like a person with whom contact should be kept to a bare minimum. Also make sure your mother has an iron clad will, because that seems like a future dispute in the making.

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  10. Worried Daughter, my sympathies to you and your mom. It must be really painful to see your brother behave this way. I am wondering why your brother has so much animosity towards your mom (looking through her, asking her not to talk to him again)? Is it only because of the house that’s in your name? Why are the bro’s in-laws interested in your house? What problem does his wife have with you? Why the physical assault on you?

    In my personal opinion, a parent should not buy a house in adult kids’s name. They can instead create a will. That kinda ensures their own personal safety through old age.

    It’s great that you can support your mom. It highlights what a daughter can do if she is self-reliant.

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  11. As per the Maintenance and welfare of Parents and Senior Citizens Act 2007, a parent (or grandparent) can claim maintenance from children or relatives (legal heirs in case of no children of own) if they are unable to maintain themselves on their own earnings and property. Maintenance includes provision for food, clothing, residence, medical attendance and treatment. The obligation of children is to the extend of meeting the needs of the senior citizen such that the senior citizen leads a normal life.

    Your mother could file a claim under the Act , as per notification of Government of Kerala, if she so wished. The monetary payout from children is capped at Rs. 10,000 per month under the Act and decisions are taken on case to case basis.

    The Act has come into being, because the problem is common and harassment of the elderly – a reality.

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  12. Having been in a similar situation with an abusive father-in-law, my advice to you is to get away as far as possible from your brother, in every way. I don’t know if I understand the situation correctly with the house in your name, but here’s the simplest solution:
    1. Do not have anything to do with your brother in things like boundary wall, etc. This is a bait, this is a trick, and I am very sure it will lead to something worse.
    2. Sell or rent out the house and move your mother elsewhere in the same village. You have to convince her this is for the best
    Alternatively, this is a hard decision, but it would be good for you to consider moving back to India, to a city somewhere, and convincing your mother to live with you.

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  13. I’m honestly no one to give any legal advice but I do feel strongly that your mother should move a case for harassment and for maintenance.
    Your parents spent all their money on your education, well- being etc. and invested in your name and your brother’s. While you pooled in your resources your brother didn’t.
    Moreover, he assaulted you and your mother while your father stood their shocked and finally passed away. I’m so sorry to her this but trust me yours is not the first case. My immediate family members (the same age as my nana- nani) went through this same this. He was sooo shocked and hurt at his son’s behavior that he stopped eating and soon passed away. The son the very next day put in an affidavit stating that he was the only legal heir and the property be transferred. Nani was further traumatized.

    My simple point is that you should let go of such people easily cause they are never satisfied. They’ll always want more and more. It is imperative that you take immediate legal recourse. Such people do not deserve compassion.
    Ps: This brat should have been whacked on the very first day. He has been spoilt and is extremely selfish. Also, I wouldn’t blame his in-laws (not that they seem to be very good people either) cause they see an oppurtunity here. They recognize the fact that your brother is willing to stoop to any level or else no son would be an active party to bashing up his mother and sister.

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  14. FROM ‘A WORRIED DAUGHTER’ 1 :

    The comments received have just re-inforced what we too have drilled into Mom – agree to the property demarcation legally and in case somebody misbehaves, file a police complaint. We are hoping though that the situation will not take that turn as it is not in the good interests of anyone.

    Agree with all the comments that the parents did a huge mistake by dividing the property when they were alive. No parent should do that. Also committed a blunder by not filing a police complaint when the physical assaults did take place. However, all that’s water under the bridge now. As everyone has advised, there is no longer any need to remember that one is dealing with a son/brother – it is just another stranger who happens to own the property next to yours.

    We are NOT interested in getting any maintenance from him – as the lesser contact one has with him, the better. I had asked about the maintenance issue for senior citizens only to understand what is the Indian Law in this case. I am sure ours is not an isolated case but surely there are recourses which makes it easy for senior citizens to get what is their right or don’t they have any rights at all after the property divisions? Of course, only a lawyer will be able to answer all these questions.

    Looking to all the adverse comments generated due to this post, you atleast will understand why my parents preferred to keep quiet – why show the whole world how foolish they had been?

    Thank you once again for the personal interest you took in this case. I do appreciate it a lot.

    Do keep up the good work. I have read about so many people facing such tough situations in life, from your blog, that this is just a small blot on one’s horizon. It can be ignored.

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  15. FROM ‘A WORRIED DAUGHTER’ 2 :

    All this is the result of well meaning innocent parents who gave their all to their children – today’s environment is not conducive to such behavior. They must have believed that their children will turn out to be as selfless as them. Very naive behavior I agree.

    My brother’s case is just a case of being extremely materialistic and finding the perfect match in extremely materialistic in-laws. What prompted me to write to you was to show that apart from the much maligned DILs, even their own children can be a reason for torture in their old age.

    As compared to the Indian scenario where the parents ( atleast the last generation ) held their children over & above everything else, things are much better in the West where the children are not encouraged to live with their parents after a certain age. They take out their own loans for their studies & are independent and responsible from a very young age. Parents too live their own lives and in their old age have various communities & old age homes where they can live with like minded people & pursue their own interests & hobbies. It is healthy for everyone. Why don’t Indians follow this when anyway they are blindly following the West in other areas?

    There should be no shame associated with telling your children to fend for themselves on achieving maturity. Expectations should be a lot less from either side. Somehow the concept of old age homes & communities has really not caught up in India. Hats off to the children who take care of their parents in their old age due to genuine affection & love. But how many senior citizens may be actually suffering silently in the homes of their children, for ‘n’ no. of reasons coz. they cannot turn to anyone else?

    It really is a matter of concern, isn’t it?

    With warm regards.

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  16. – To a worried daughter,
    I don’t know if our parents generation were selfless and kind.. I have my doubts. Yes they took care of their parents , but out of love???? i doubt it. It has always been a sense of DUTY… sacrifice and pressure.

    My dad’s parents stayed with us. My dad is known all around as the most dutiful son, a veritable Shri Ram. but at what cost? My grandmother was a tyrant (at best) and my grandfather was the most orthodox rigid human being who wanted his way till the end and he was convinced the olden ways were BEST 9 for him and everyone around) . so in effect my mom-s life was ruined till she was in her 40’s and thankfully they passed away. Don’t mistake me, I LOVED my grandparents, but they treated me like a precious gem and loved me to death, but the love for a person does not mean ill-treatment/sacrifice by another.
    the anger my mom had on her in-laws kind of slowly translated into all her actions in relation to my dad’s side people ( aunts, uncles etc) she considered all of them extra work and much rather they didn’t show up.

    Once my grandparents passed, my parents slowly reconciled and are now i think much happier..I’m out of the picture but i see my brother doing the very same mistake, he came from abroad JUST to live with my parents and take care of them. since I have no contact he feels he needs to compensate, guess what, my dad is proud of his son and my mom hates the fact that now she has to live with her DIL. I don’t know how the DIL feels (not good I assume), inspite of me and my husband trying to steer my brother away from this potential disaster he persists. My mom lives in fear of them having kids !!!! Seriously, she loves my brother but also knows incase of a child she is the defacto nanny, society expects her to be and she wants to be but is tired of taking care of kids and old people all her life. son’s sacrificing for her right…she cannot say it cannot accept it — what a life and this is what we call ‘INDIAN CULTURE’.

    We need PSA’s and Ad’s on

    1. Sacrifice
    2. Saving for old age
    3. Trying to live for yourself.

    And definitely open more communities for older people so they can enjoy their days with people of their interests without worry and work !!!

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    • I completely agree with you Radha. I saw a major relief in my mil face when my hubby’s granny died. Saw the same relief in my mom’s face when my granny died. Still they think it is only their mil who troubled them. They think that they are very good and are so sure that they will not ill treat their dil the way their mil did. The cycle keeps continuing…

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