So is sale and consumption of liquor related to crimes that take place in an area?

It’s a relief to see Gurgaon administration stop threatening women with negligence and victim blaming.

//Women can work 24×7: Gurgaon police chief

GURGAON: Gurgaon police commissioner K K Sindhu said on Thursday that women could work at any time, even night shifts, without fear.//

But  now take a look at this,

//Liquor vends that have come up around the mall are cause for more trouble . “People drink outside these vends and pose a threat to women going out of the mall . We have written several times to the administration to relocate the vends, but nothing has happened .”[link]//

Do women feel unsafe if liquor is being sold and consumed in an area? Why?

Almost every married domestic helper I have spoken to has had a problem with an alcoholic husband. The addiction and the effects seem to be the same as drug addiction – the victims (of alcoholism) don’t seem to be able to eat regular meals, hold jobs and they frequently react violence. A small number of women helpers were addicted too, and they too would be absent from work without any notice and then turn up at odd hours asking to borrow money.

Bollywood makes alcoholism look fun and funny, but does acknowledge the existence of the problem.

In real life women do seem to protest against liquor being sold.

Women attacked for protest against sale of liquor

Also note that Gujarat is one of the safest places for women (and men) in India – and it is a dry state.

So is sale and consumption of liquor related to crimes that take place in an area?

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3. How does the Gurgaon administration make it even more difficult for women to find employment, and stay safe on Gurgaon roads?

4. No, not a dry day.

19 thoughts on “So is sale and consumption of liquor related to crimes that take place in an area?

  1. That depends, really. France is one of the highest consumers of alcohol, but I found it pretty safe. What we need are more AA programs and awareness of safe drinking. Most non-drinkers think that people who drink alcohol are all alcoholics. That’s not true. And most drinkers also think that alcohol must be consumed until they pass out to have a good time, which means hard liquor and no idea on how to control consumption. There simply is no concept of a glass after dinner on the weekend to relax.

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  2. Alcohol addiction IS drug addiction. Alcohol is one of our most dangerous drugs.

    My husband died in September of last year of alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver. I watched a strong good man disintegrate into a weak, evil shadow of his former self. There is a saying that there are only three possible ends to alcoholism: death, prison or recovery.

    Yes, consumption of alcohol leads to crime of all sorts. One of its effects is to release inhibitions. All those nasty, little and big things we hold in normally, come storming out when drunk. Verbal and emotional abuse become the order of the day for the wife of an alcoholic. This usually progresses to physical abuse. (Not in my case; even drunk he knew better than to hit me. I know self-defence.) How much worse might this become for the wife living with his adoring family who see him as their pride and joy? Fortunately, I didn’t have to face that, but I know many women do, inside and outside of India.

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  3. India has a strange distinction of heavily taxing alcoholic beverages like Beer when compared to the more addictive hard drinks (rum, whiskey etc..)

    This actually makes it easier for younger people to try out hard drinks than say beer. It also leads to high rate of addiction.

    Gujarat is a dry state legally but I know many from Gujarat who laugh at this particular term. Worse is the criminal activity is amplified when something is banned as stocking or serving alcohol becomes illegal.

    Unfortunately India as a state looks at alcohol as something immoral (hence the traditional dry days). Rather than concentrating on how not to sell alcohol to minors or investing in de-addiction and counselling centers – they try to ban it and basically bring in criminals into a perfectly legal business.

    A good study is how organized crime reached a zenith during the American Prohibition era.

    In places like Netherlands, I belive even Marijuana is legal and I guess those places are far more safer for women than Gujarat.

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      • IHM Violence has always increased and although liquor can or is or may be one reason for it .. but not the only one.. violence has increased because of various other reasons too.

        majority of the countires dont ban alcohol as they make so much money from it , otherwise why will countries ban smoking at a public place and Why not Tobacco itself.. where alcohol is banned you can still buy it on black market.. Plus as pointed above banning will bring altogether a different kind of violence ..

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      • Banning smoking and not tobacco consumption has nothing to do with not allowing people to smoke – it is for stopping people who dont smoke to get second hand smoke from smokers.

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    • I believe drug addiction is not as high in the Netherlands, as the Government makes every possible effort to educate people about addiction, so people know the RIGHT way to do things.

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  4. Through history when alcohol is prohibited, instances of addiction to it grow – mainly because they are under the tax radar and worse there is nothing to regulate it.

    As far as domestic violence, it hardly makes a difference. Alcoholics are a lot like habitual gamblers. They will simply find more dangerous ways to indulge if their vices are made illegal. The only way out is reforming them and helping them.

    I am not aware of numbers or stats regarding if violence actually went down in the US during prohibition but its never been mentioned as any signification plus point either.

    Problem is with policy regarding alchol consumption. Why is a bottle of rum or vodka cheaper than a bottle of beer, while beer actually has lesser percentage of alcohol in it? Maybe the answer likes with our sugar barons and their influence…😦

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  5. The sale of liquor & consumption of liquor has nothing to do with crimes committed in an area.
    There is sure to be an increase incidences of drunken driving and assault around liquor vends – thats more to do with people using the liquor vend as a bar. (In fact in the NCR, many liquor shops have kebab & snack shops very conveniently located around the corner or behind the vend.) Our police do a very poor job of stopping such activity.
    Other violent crimes happen irrespective of that. I believe its used as an excuse. Sure – alcohol can lower inhibitions and its consumption MAY be considered a contributing factor but not the reason for the crime. And lets not confuse violence against women and/or children, in the home and outside, with alcohol consumption or addiction. What I understand is that like drugs, alcohol can be addictive to some people and in the desire for the ‘high’ that alcohol gives, the addict is willing to compromise on pretty much anything – people, relationships, jobs, values, self-worth…. anything. It completely changes the person – makes life difficult for those around them who care for them……. so consumption of alcohol for the addict – even a small quantity is a slippery slope.
    In general I believe the consumption of alcohol in regulated manner is not such a bad thing. Tolerance for the effects of alcohol is different in every person and you’ve got figure that one out for yourself – does a drink or two or three make me happy or obnoxious? How many of us turn around and tell a friend/acquaintance “I hate hanging out with you and drinking cos you don’t know when to stop? or don’t know how to behave?” Because we are have such a moral attitude towards alcohol consumption( like sex) we indulge but don’t talk about it. We encourage a censorious attitude towards alcohol consumption. We open liquor shops and make it easily available. We don’t talk about responsible drinking. We make it prohibiltively expensive to sit in a safe place and drink outside the home. We’d like to pretend it doesn’t happen so resist creating a supporting framework that could address problems that could arise from over-indulgence or abuse – whether its educational sessions in schools, stricter regulation on under-age drinking ( thats another debatable topic – whats under-age?), adequate and accessible therspists, counsellors and rehab facilities and the rest.

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  6. Drinking Alcohol and Alcoholism are two different things, i am sure we all agree. Drinking for pleasure is psychological whereas alcoholism/alcohol addiction is physiological, your body asks for alcohol and there are withdrawal symptoms when you don’t drink, that can be quite severe. You need professional help. There must be awareness campaigns about Alcoholism for prevention, because once into it finding the exit is quite a challenge.
    In any case Alcohol lowers inhibitions and this could be a contributor to increased sexual harassment, in the sense that even some people who might refrain from it when sober might succumb to it when drunk. But it all comes from the assumption of what is OK and what one will be penalised for. In Europe, there is no prohibition anywhere but drunken driving is at a minimum because they have high chances of being caught if they are drunk and driving. Sexual harassment is not particularly high for example in France where people even drink wine at lunch. It all comes down what do I think I will be punished for, calling a lady “Sexy” and blowing her a kiss is not something I will be punished for but stealing a car is, so that determines whether I will do it or not! Unfortunately most people assume sexual harassment/assault to fall into the first category!

    P.S Gujarat might be dry state but in reality alcohol is still available to all.

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  7. Drinking alcohol is a personal choice. The same with smoking or taking drugs. If a person is so stupid to give in to any of those, it’s his/her fault. The shops can be closed and there can be prohibition of all kinds of addictive substances and still there will be morons who drink/ smoke/ take it. They will find their ways.

    Rape is rape – with or without the influence of alcohol. Again, individual responsibility matters. People should stop looking for excuses and explanations.

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  8. Isn’t it interesting that they try to tackle the problem by doing everything except addressing the real issue. Alcohol, timings and so on. What is next? Harassment happens on the street, so they are going o have police barricades on the street? Or ban public transport, since that is where most people are harassed?
    The real issue simply is the lack of punishment for anyone molesting another person ( eve teasing is a mild term and does not cover both sexes). The problem is the blaming the victim mentality. Unless the police take sensitivity training in these and conduct a few PSAs nothing is going to change. Of course they may ban women from breathing in the meanwhile.

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  9. The only problematic thing alcohol does is lower inhibitions.

    I agree with @Fem- there is truly no concept of just drinking enough to relax.
    I think blaming alcohol for the men beating their wives is just another way of pampering men. After all, men who beat their wives under the influence of alcohol also bet them when they sober. It is just that they use alcohol as an excuse. After a while, they will use the excuse that they want alcohol and that is why they beating them. It is still an excuse. I think it is only be in rare cases when they hit them
    “because” they are drunk.

    Drinking doesn’t turn you into an animal!

    My father has probably drunk 20 times in his whole life- and when he gets drunk, he turns into this really sweet guy who reverts to speaking in baby tongue sometimes! He is in an awesome mood and it is an enormous stress relief. And he does not misbehave with my mother AT ALL, which is apparently what men end up doing, right? Also, he smokes too.
    Addiction is awful always. But it is not the alcohol’s fault if you are addicted. It is your fault!
    He is addicted to smoking, which is definitely as bad as addiction to liquor. But since my father is a good person, everybody in our family hid the fact that he smoked from us when we were kids, so that we wouldn’t be “influenced”. Also, he has NEVER smoked in front/around us to save us from second hand smoke.
    Here, again I would like to point out- it is not the cigarretes fault that he is addicted to them. It is his fault. There are MANY men(and women) in the world who have successfully given up smoking. So saying that he can’t give up is wrong. He won’t give up smoking, because of various reasons.

    So, it isn’t alcohol that makes a man bad, it is the man himself. A rapist or molester will simply use alcohol as an excuse, just like women being provocative- well, I couldn’t control myself. Sounds similar, doesn’t it?

    People outside India drink often and they very rarely get addicted to liquor, and very rarely molest women. Why? Because they are good people.

    I think the movies here romanticise liquor and make getting drunk whenever you are sad appear normal and a “male” trait. They are weak, so they can’t handle the pressure and fall to drinking. Alcohol isn’t a cure for anything, but the media and movies here make it seem that way!
    It can be very easy to fall down the addiction lane if a man is made to believe and convinced that they have no control upon their bodies. If a guy wants to drink, he will never even fight the urge because he himself might be convinced that he can’t control it! It is a weird world we live in.

    If alcohol really were that bad a thing, then women in the west wouldn’t frequently get drunk! Of course, rape when they are intoxicated happens there and the chances of getting raped when you are drunk are higher, but there STILL seem to be lesser women raped there compared to India.
    I don’t know if I am explaining my point well- but what I am trying to say is that a man is made by his actions, and alcohol can’t change a good man into a bad man and vice-versa!

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