Three BJP Ministers, including the Women and Child Welfare Minister caught watching porn in assembly.

I am sure nobody is really surprised that three ministers were caught watching ‘obscene video’ in Karnataka assembly. I am just glad they are caught on camera. Maybe now we can expect stronger attempts at censorship to protect our religious and cultural sensibilities.

CC Patil and Lakshman Savadi were caught watching an obscene video on their mobile phones on Tuesday while the Assembly was in session. A regional TV channel aired the footage of the duo watching the clippings when the Assembly was debating the issue of hoisting of Pakistan national flag in a town in Bijapur district on the New Year’s day. [Link]

This post is not about my views on whether or not watching porn should be a crime. C C Patil is was the Women and Child Welfare Minister, this is what he said about last month about sexual crimes against women.

Women should know how much skin they should cover: Karnataka minister

I personally don’t favour women wearing provocative clothes …” He also said women should know how much skin they should cover.

Patil said incidents like rape and sexual harassment occur when moral values among men decline – the subtext being women dressing “provocatively” cause men’s morals to nosedive.

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Perhaps apprehending he would be accused of being a misogynist, Patil hastily added, “Over the centuries, we have given respectful position and dignified status to women. We worship women in many ways. As a mark of respect to women, many rivers are named after them in the country which only indicates the respect we have towards women.

[From here]

I believe anybody who talks of naming rivers after women when asked about an average woman’s safety doesn’t care what happens to an average woman. If he then start talking about women’s clothing causing men’s morality to nosedive – then maybe he is  making excuses for himself.

Karnataka state had recently banned a peaceful protest against sexual harassment (Slut walk) and has in the past defended violent attack and molesting of innocent citizens in a Mangalore pub (resulting in the now famous Pink Chaddi Campaign). This is how Savadi reacted to being caught watching porn in the House.

After local TV channels began airing the footage, Savadi reportedly blocked power supply in his constituency, Athani, in north Karnataka. He said later, “I was watching the video clip of how a woman was raped by four people to know about the incident and prepare for a discussion on the ill-effects of a rave party in Udupi recently. I do not have the cheap mentality to see pornographic visuals.”[Link]

I wanted to call this post – We worship women in many ways. – C C Patil.

62 thoughts on “Three BJP Ministers, including the Women and Child Welfare Minister caught watching porn in assembly.

  1. I was waiting for you to put a post on this🙂 It’s quite self-explanatory really.

    I was having my morning cuppa and reading the paper when the headlines of the newspaper caught my eye.
    A Karnataka minister, who had recently advised women to wear less revealing clothes to avoid getting raped, was caught watching a porn clip in the state Assembly on Tuesday, proving that the problem is in his head and not in what women wear.

    I had to laugh seeing the last part. They have written it SO aptly.

    And I am truly glad the cameras caught the scene. The sooner we get rid of such ministers, the better we progress.

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  2. ” “I was watching the video clip of how a woman was raped by four people to know about the incident and prepare for a discussion on the ill-effects of a rave party in Udupi recently.”

    Wow–this guy gives the Italian cruise ship captain competition for the most idiotic explanation for his actions.

    I’m not surprised at all–it’s always the conservatives [especially the kind who dictate what other people should do with their lives and/or how women should be have] who are the most twisted of them all. Again–reminds me of the super conservative family values / anti-gay marriage politician who got caught trying to solicit sex from an undercover cop in a public bathroom.

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  3. Hi IHM!
    I read your posts regularly though I rarely comment. I am a silent spectator of sorts😛
    But I had to de-lurk today because it’s the 4th or 5th time I have come to your blog and found myself with the golden opportunity of publishing the first comment. I used to think that I don’t deserve to be first because I usually don’t comment on any of your posts. The other readers who comment and post more often and are much more enthusiastic about “Being First” deserve it more this lurker, yours truly.
    But I couldn’t refuse this opportunity anymore.
    So here I Am!
    I had hoped for you to start a discussion about this incident in the morning when i had first came across this on Facebook🙂
    I’ll post my views about it probably later.
    Looking forward to a good discussion.

    Yours sincerely,
    Avid (Silent) reader of your blog.

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  4. Disgusting is the word…no not for watching porn…but for the double faced hypocracy….the whole story just exposes that typical mindset “how women are seen/perceived/viewed by these men!!!”….they are those kind of brother/father/husband who frowns & create ruckus if the females( sister/daughter/wife) of their household wear sleeve-less dresses and they themselves eye on all the other women with drooling x-ray eyes – top to bottom

    one more aspect to it….we all know what huge amount are spent on these assembly sessions every year…where our so called elected ministers either waste time by breaking furniture, throwing mikes & footwears, shouting like a toddler so that the other person can’t speak, sleeping merrily and now one more addition to the list….surfing porn!!!!.

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  5. I want to frame this post and post it to the headquarters of all right-wing outfits in the nation, so that the culture warriors realize exactly how sincere their leaders are in their ideological persuasion.

    As a classical liberal, I have nothing against pornography in itself (as long as everything is consensual and the actors are above the age of consent). However, none of the ministers caught here would agree with me if I said this in a debate with them. This incident amply demonstrates the blatant hypocrisy of these holier-than-thou moralists who lecture and preach at us till the sun rises in the morning, but cannot be bothered to follow the dictates of their own repressive morality.

    The explanation is probably one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while. Who would’ve thought that watching porn is in fact a good way to gain scholarly knowledge of rave parties? This gentleman is beyond parody. If I didn’t know better, I’d have thought that IHM was churning out some satire here.

    We worship women in many ways. – C C Patil.

    ^ The possibilities of that sentence are truly intriguing.😉

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    • PT these are my views too!!
      //I have nothing against pornography in itself (as long as everything is consensual and the actors are above the age of consent). However, none of the ministers caught here would agree with me if I said this in a debate with them. This incident amply demonstrates the blatant hypocrisy of these holier-than-thou moralists who lecture and preach at us till the sun rises in the morning, but cannot be bothered to follow the dictates of their own repressive morality.//

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      • You couldn’t have said it better, PT! It’s the hypocrisy that disgusts me (though this piece made me laugh, the ending was so funny!)

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  6. First a so called representative of the people and minister of Women and Child Welfare watched porn is caught watching porn in legislative assembly and then he says “I was watching the video clip of how a woman was raped by four people to know about the incident”
    Can it get any sicker or any worse than this?

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    • Can it get any sicker than this?

      Yep, it can.

      The Honorable minister did not even have the decency to use his own cellular phone while partaking in his pleasures:

      Camera crew of TV channels filmed cooperation minister Lakshmana V Savadi watching porn clips on his cellphone and
      women and child development minister CC Patil peeping in during a discussion in the House

      Good to see our ministers making efficient use of the mere millions that the
      Indian taxpayer routinely coughs up for their royal chai and samosas (fried in shuddh Desi Ghee, no less).

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  7. Disgusting is the word IHM…..no not for watching porn….but for their double faced hypocracy….this whole story exposes their mentality of these men “how they view/see/perceive women”. They those brother/father/husband who frowns & create ruckus if the females (sister/daughter/wife) of their household even wear sleeve-less dresses and they themselves eye every other women in the world with drooling x-ray eyes!!!!.

    He said he was watching the “rape scene” to debate/discuss on it…..just want to know that is he required to narrate to the assembly house the animated details of the rape !!!!…This man has balls to give such a justification to his act!!!

    another aspect as well…we all know what huge amount is spent by our government on these assembly sessions every year….and the so called elected ministers who waste that time and money in so many ways….sleeping. breaking furniture, throwing mikes & footwear, shouting like a toddler so that other person can’t speak,….now one more addition to the list…surfing porn!!!

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  8. no wonder rapists are getting there term shortened .. and ministers are doing this and commenting the way they comment .. sad pathetic situation yet we say we are developing and india shining ..

    I have a question here although everyone has seen or probably have seen the ministers in action and Read there comment YET how many of us will still go ahead and bring them to Power again or rather worship them toooo ..

    We indians will forget all this in a couple of days .. hence the ministers and lawyers and everyother person on a high chair does not give a DAMN …

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    • This is not about forgetting, Bikram. What is really sad is that there exists a strong voter base for those who think exactly like these ministers and hence would not hesitate voting them in again.

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  9. ‘I was watching the video clip of how a woman was raped by four people to know about the incident and prepare for a discussion on the ill-effects of a rave party in Udupi recently’ – Yeah right! He was just doing the ‘research’!

    After being caught, the least he could do is publicly apologize for watching porn, when he is supposed to be at work! Work, that is paid for by the taxpayers, by the way.

    And such people tell us what to wear, how to behave etc etc etc.. And of course, they do worship women – that itself makes everything alright!

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  10. The man got busted!!! But I think when media will find new story to present, and this incident will become old, these ministers will keep a low profile for a while and then they are gonna come out again with their same old well memorised speeches on women. Thing is that these people never learn.

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  11. The saddest/ funniest comment was the fact that he says I was watching a video of a woman being raped.
    Oh yes thanks dude that just makes the entire episode so much more rational and decent, right?
    One can only concertize ones arguments against rape, murder, etc etc once one has seen videos!!
    Man they need to be whipped, not cause they were watching porn but for their double standards and cheapness.

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  12. I too don’t care whether or not an average Joe (or Jane for that matter) watches porn (with the usual caveats about how the thing was filmed). But, if you did this on company time anywhere, you would be fired. So, if you did this on the Indian people’s time, you should be fired as well.

    As for the hypocrisy — well what can I say? When these so called conservatives say “revealing clothes on a woman tempt men to lose control”, may be they are talking about themselves?

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    • it’s not a maybe… they ARE talking about themselves! and I was just wondering if what he did was illegal! I don’t really know the legal policy that companies have on employees watching porn! (never really thought about it! :D)

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      • Yes, they are…. if they, the virtuous can be tempted, then well… of course!

        The trouble with these so called elected representatives is that they don’t approach this as a job.. they think of this as an entitlement and if they do what they are actually there for, they act like they are doing the people a favor. May be if the people were to act like the CEOs of India and sack the good-for-nothings, these guys will watch what they are doing… or better people will finally be able to make it to public office!

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  13. “I do not have the cheap mentality to see pornographic visuals.”

    I’ll bet he doesn’t really think it’s a big deal to be watching porn while at work. Now you know how this world is full of temptresses, and with their exploits now available on the mobile 24*7, the morality of even the most virtuous of men–men like him– is sure to nosedive. Surely it is those women’s fault that he got provoked into watching the clip with such unwavering attention ?!!!!*smirk*

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  14. Unless this minister is ousted, nothing changes. It will all be forgotten and then things will move back to normal, and maybe the next time, they will be more cautious of who is sitting behind them in the assembly.

    “I was watching the video clip of how a woman was raped by four people to know about the incident and prepare for a discussion on the ill-effects of a rave party in Udupi recently. I do not have the cheap mentality to see pornographic visuals.”
    What exactly would he have found out about the rape by watching the video?? How all was she violated? What was the procedure? Was he planning on dissecting it for his DISCUSSION?
    Rape is rape, there should be no procedures and rules to define it. Anyways, the lamest of reasons from any man alive I believe for watching Porn!

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  15. The man is a hypocrite, sure. He was watching porn (cos let’s face it dude, you were caught with your pants down and you can holler that it was for research all you want, no one’s buying it!) when he shoullld have been working.

    But I don’t see a crime committed.
    A lot of us, instead of paying attention during meetings, chat on our phones or read articles online etc. (hell, I’m at work right now and look what I’m doing!).

    It was inappropriate if anyone did it, sure. Since it’s him, it’s even more so, considering the attitude he has about women and the stance he takes. Obviously, watching porn is more risqué than reading blogs, and considering the comments he made against women and how he blames the women themselves for the crimes against them, he must be made to understand what an ass he is (which I doubt will work. People like him seem to have a special shield of impenetrability for anything wrong they do. They simply deny it no matter what)

    But what he did is not illegal or worthy or a sack is it?

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    • When an actress like Khushboo makes statements abt premarital sex, she’s taken to court. But when a Minister (for Women and Child Welfare, no less) is watching porn during a working session, true, it’s not illegal, it’s just his base nature that ‘all men’ can’t help having. So the portfolio he holds is just trivial. Poor guy, why punish him for just watching? He wasn’t actually RAPING a woman, no?

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      • Our country focuses too much on the non-issues! She (khushboo) is entitled to her opinion. And if *we* were half as famous as she was, all the stuff written by us over here would be reason enough for the crazies to haul us to court every day!
        But what I’m saying is… she shouldn’t have been taken to court at all… and to justify one wrong by talking abt another just isn’t right. Although, in this case… what’s happening to this guy isn’t wrong (as I’ve agreed in the below comment).
        But I did wonder. Which is what this was abt.🙂

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        • Sanjana a man who is supposed to understand and work towards women and child welfare, was watching a video of a woman being gang raped, not to forget he is paid by the tax payer. He was supposed to understand how crimes against women could be controlled.

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      • And it was RESEARCH, you know.

        And as Karnataka’s agriculture minister wisely said yesterday, “It is human to err”. Those poor babies, how dare the media make a scandal out of innocent fun?

        Don’t we all know that women secretly WANT to be raped and actually enjoy it? What are we blaming him for?

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    • Why not, Sanjana?

      There is more than one reason for his actions to be a worthy of a sack,

      1. He is an elected representative of people who have chosen him to carry forward to a specific agenda on their behalf. Since his actions show that he cannot be reasonably expected to represent that agenda well enough, it is certainly permissible to demand that he be sacked.

      2. If I was found to be slacking off too much, my company would be completely justified in kicking me out. While I do not say that employees must ALWAYS pay 100% attention to the work at hand (an impossible demand), getting caught watching porn during an important meeting would almost certainly get most employees fired.

      3. He lied to the public and that in itself is enough to demand his removal.

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      • true true. All true! I was only wondering out loud. Of course, if I was slacking so much that my performance was hindered, I would definitely be fired. In this case, I guess the guy was never fit to represent the people in the first place.
        First he watches porn, then he lies about watching porn. Yup. Agreed.

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  16. “I wanted to call this post – We worship women in many ways. – C C Patil.” LOL!😀
    I wish you had! A women and child welfare minister- it makes one wonder if this is his interpretation of welfare.

    The really sad part? He may be allowed to continue as an MLA.

    It makes me question my belief in democracy.

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  17. How easily these 3 ‘morally’ tainted ministers resigned? Compare this with t difficulty in getting resignation letters from Yeddy, Kalmadi, Raja etc who were not ‘morally’ tainted. Is there an element of moral policing in t way these ministers houses were stoned? Is this incident a victory or defeat for moral Police?

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  18. Agree with everything everyone said above but small technicality –

    We do not always name rivers after women you stupid mofo, we also name women after rivers. Ganga is the name of the river first and THEN the name of women who’re named after that river, for instance. Anyone being called Ganga AFTER the river got named is being named after the river. When was the last time you named a river anyway? Also, we name rivers after men too. And vice versa. Brahmputra, for instance.

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    • The Wild Child,

      We don’t name ANY rivers after women. We name them after mythological figures whose lives bear only the vaguest resemblance to the lives of real, live women.

      In any case, none of this prevents the valiant moral brigade from publicly assaulting men and women, because they were, um, drinking together. In our country, respect for women always comes with a rider – they must forfeit their rights and freedoms as equal citizens and submit to protective patriarchal authority first.

      Read correctly, the minister says:

      “We respect* women”

      *conditions apply

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      • I agree completely. What I meant was – and I was too pissed off to articulate this in my earlier comment – any women this a$$hole claims to elevate by naming rivers after them are no longer alive, if they were ever alive to start with. And all the women with those names that came AFTER have been named after the rivers. What kind of a fucked up argument is it anyway?! “I respect women; look, I named rivers after them” is as pointless as “I’m not racist; look, I have a black friend.”

        Just the kind of argument I’d expect from men who claim they need to watch porn in order to educate themselves about rape. At work, on taxpayers’ money.

        For some reason, his inability to come up with a half-intelligent argument/excuse/lie pisses me off far more than his hypocrisy (hypocrisy that I’m probably used to and expect of him).

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  19. watching porn is no crime, but there’s this basic mistake.

    u can become president and waste billions of tax-dollars but u can’t get away with sleeping with the intern. that’s public life! they’ll get u for it.

    maderna and nd tiwari of congress too learnt it recently, now bjp also knows this.

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  20. I saw this news yesterday on TOI and did not know whether to laugh or be angry, but knew for sure that it’d end up here.

    Who cares if this sicko watches porn or not, but let him do it in his own time and on his own dime and he’s minister of child and women’s welfare to boot. The only place and time he deserves to be responsible for women is in his dreams. And how dare he cut off power to the people and justify what he did.

    People should campaign to have him never re-elected, and if that’s not possible no woman or right thinking man should vote for this creep who watches and enjoys videos of women being raped and humiliated, while being responsible for their welfare.

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    • Did you read the news about he blacking out the news completely in his constituency. There is no power in the constituency so that they cannot see on media. And the guy purchases all newspapers so that no newspaper brought that news to the constituency!

      And, I still say there is HOPE for this country!

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  21. I vote for a Rajyotsava puraskar for the cameramen who filmed this. So glad he got caught.

    I don’t care if you watch porn as an individual. I would worry about the bent of mind and approach that a Minister supposed to watch out for the welfare of women and children….even if he watched porn at home. So I guess in a way, to me, his individual freedom is more impacted than another individual citizen’s….not because he needs to be a role model but because he needs to make good calls regarding people he obviously has no respect for. We are not really able to all be Solomons, separating ourselves and personal opinions completely from issues we take calls on that affect the public. But in the House, on work time, even trying to justify it as ‘research’?! Seriously, how stupid do they think we are?

    Sometimes the system gives me hope. Hypocrites do get their due. Sometimes.

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