And the answer.

In the last post I asked a question. Please click here to find out how right or not so right your answers were.

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13 thoughts on “And the answer.

  1. True but there are no right or wrong answers to this. In different societies the answers will be different. The question is in which society do you want to live in?(no Im not referring to the cliche west versus east society dramarama but just the personal ideal society ) In one were people are responsible for their own actions or one were victims are responsible for their perpetrators? What I noticed in life is the fact that especailly guys don’t understand is that because a girl had sex with someone dosent mean that the girl would want to have sex with them. They seem to just not get the decision thing, that having sex dosent equal to having sex with everyone randomly. That’s why a lot of people seem to be concerned if the rapee was virgin or not. Also whats curious is that being raped is a shame of the rapee not the rapist! I ve heard guys insult other guys with ” your sister was raped by xz” wtf
    And I’m not suprised at the initial reaction of ther class towards the woman, her behaviour is quite non classy and un acceptable. However that’s not really the problem.

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    • Appropriate dressing is fine but does any kind of dressing cause or prevent rape? Do you know of any cases where a victim was raped because of the way she was dressed? This clothes myth has been repeated so much that now it is accepted as a fact. How a victim dressed has no connection with her being raped; how likely is the rapist to escape, seems to be the biggest factor that causes rapes/molestations etc. Rape victims are not even conventionally attractive – they are just the easiest targets. Societies where women are blamed for rapes have more rapes, because rapist know who was going to get blamed.
      I would like to hear you views of this post – If women could not be dishonored or shamed so easily – would it be easier for them to fight back sexual assaults?

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      • No, the kind of dressing doesn’t prevent rape. It certainly isn’t the woman’s fault if she is raped and it’s sad that the media often suggests that the women asked for it. However, as a woman I wouldn’t make it easy for a guy to pick me as a target. How?
        By not wandering around alone late at night.
        By getting so drunk that I’m unaware of my surroundings etc

        Yes, a rape can happen anywhere and at anytime irrespective of how women behave but I think as women we can reduce the probability of it happening to us, by being a tad careful. If I had a daughter I would certainly advice her to come home at a decent hour, not to travel alone to lonely areas and so on.

        On another note and being a mom of 3 boys, I think rape statistics would drastically reduce if we taught our children to respect both genders equally, right from childhood.

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  2. I had read that story before so did not reply.🙂

    Not sure about it as much as and not a social scientist nor psychologist, but I guess this is a lot more similar to a person not locking the doors to his shop and getting robbed. People often would assume the shopkeeper was asking for it rather than get outraged at the robbery. I think the idea behind blaming the woman for being raped is something of similar though a lot more discriminatory.

    Most societies have many such blind spots….😦

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  3. I waited to read this, before committing myself.🙂 Read Shail’s post too.

    Off topic here, but I adore the latest header, Tejaswee’s hindi essay. Did I ever say she’s awesome? Freaking awesome!

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  4. I will stick to what I said in the previous post.

    There is simply no point in trying to affix an overarching tag of blame to any one person or circumstance, because doing so will necessarily involve your personal sense of morality.

    Let us stick to the facts.

    The rapists were the perpetrators.
    The woman was the victim.

    Aren’t the other factors immaterial? Isn’t a blame game unnecessary? We KNOW who committed the offense! So why even consider all the extraneous details? Why get philosophical about all of this? Why frame broad, open-ended questions that have infinitely many “correct” answers?

    In individual cases of rape and sexual assault/harassment, I advocate taking the narrowest possible view of the situation, only as broad as is necessary to establish culpability. Factors such as the victim’s clothing, past exploits, marital status and so forth should not even enter the discussion. Do we ask what a murder victim was wearing when the crime took place? Do we ask whether the victim of a robbery was married?

    There is a time and place to discuss the sociological reasons behind crimes but even as we do that, we must realize that those discussions are useful only in that they may help up prevent FURTHER crimes. These discussions should not come up every time someone is raped.

    By and large, rape should be treated as just another serious crime, and should have no underpinnings of honour and shame. Let us treat it as an offense against an individual, and not as an offense against an individual’s husband, brother, father or family honor.

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  5. Thought that the answer was obvious and there were a lot of first answerers who got it right. I think this blog is read by people who are liberal and feminist, it was nice to know people wouldn’t blame the woman, not surprising though – considering the audience.

    I will take one point from the comment in the other post – the man who was trying to make a point (even if the statistical calcs were off…it is not 1 in 1742!), who said “I might risk my life to save you from a burning building, but if I’m continually demonized as a potential rapist, I might not.”

    While I don’t agree with his comment that rape is about sex and not power, I think our approach to solving this problem has to be more collaborative, less gender divided. Shrill voices won’t be heard and I fear that a lot of feminism outreach is getting more agitated (when it is there!). Would be nice to see more of gender-insensitive outreach, I think that might work better since we need to reach the audiences who strongly believe that the woman was to blame.

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  6. I saw the discussion and some people just can’t let go of the “she should have done the necessary precautions, she should have been dressed appropriately, she should have done this, she should have done that, etc.” When I started my freshman year in college I remember all the freshmen girls had to attend a rape prevention session, sure the advice was important:

    -When walking late in the dark, always walk with a group of friends.
    -When at a party always have your drink with you to avoid someone putting a drug in it.
    -Learn self defense.
    -Carry a whistle.

    Yeah not bad advice, but as you can see, women are the ones who have to take precautions. Women are the ones who have to take self defense, women are the ones who have to modify their behavior and dress in order to prevent from being raped. That’s why it angers whenever people “well you need to take the proper precautions.” Excuse me, but women are always taking precautions. You have women out there who actually plan their days in way in which they would prevent from being raped. The also ignores the fact that statistically speaking, rape is more likely to happen indoors.

    But why was this even a question? In any supposedly civilised society this is not a debatable question.

    To me it’s denial. Many people don’t want to face up to the fact that rape isn’t about sex, but a premeditated crime based on power. Even in the so-called “enlightened” Western society, people still blame the victim and even go as far as accuse the victim of lying.

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