What do you make of these results?
Doesn’t this show that there is something very basic wrong with this system which is actually seen as good for parents of sons, but which leaves them dependent on their child’s (only male child’s) spouse?
Indians don’t have a very good track record of elder care. In the past the elderly men could hope to have their (often 8-15 years younger) wives as caregivers. But once widowed the women had to depend on the sons, and hence the insecurity about the sons being ‘stolen away’ by their wives. It is a system that has resulted in family members trying to control those they depend upon.
Even today widows abandoned by their families, sit and beg outside temples in Vrindavan. Many in their fifties, moving comfortably and in good health. Why didn’t they live in their own homes? How is it that these women/their families did not see their ancestral/marital homes as their rightful homes? Many husbands/families seem to have no concept of financial security for female members. HelpAge India could also help with surveys about how to make the elderly aware about the necessity of financial self reliance.
Many Indian parents control their sons’ careers, lives and marriages to ensure they are provided with good care givers (daughters in law). Sex selection and female feticide are also result of this insecurity.
We are also aware that daughters in law are abused by their husbands’ parents, partly because there is a feeling that if they are controlled from the beginning they would make better care givers, and partly out of greed, expectations of obedience, feelings of superiority and entitlement. Daughters in law are also generally not encouraged to be care givers for their own parents, though this is changing now, very slowly.
What happens to those elderly who have no sons and hence no daughters in law?
i. What if the children, sons and daughters, instead of either of their spouses, were seen as the care givers? (Legally they are, but socially we have a long way to go.)
ii. Would it help if Indian parents planned and saved for their retirement instead of spending on lavish weddings and dowries?
1. Sita, 45 is an only daughter and her mother (78) has income through her pension and investments. Sita has hired full time trained nurses to care for her mother. Her mother is mentally alert, physically weak but able to move with help. She often wakes up at 3:30-4:00 am and the night nurse makes her a breakfast of her choice and feeds her and then switches on the TV for her or reads to her. Sita tried doing all this herself but her own health and the odd hours made it very difficult.
Now her mother lives with her and Sita has the energy to actually talk to her mother, care for her teenage son and pursue her other interests too. No guilt. No neglect.
Would Sita have been able to hire trained help if the elderly was her mother in law? Or even if her mother could not afford it?
Here’s why I doubt it.
2. Savitri has been bitter about not being allowed to choose her son’s name (her mother in law and husband changed the name), her father in law had criticised her in front of her father (and her father said nothing because he was afraid the in laws might send her back to her parents’ home). She was also expected to be grateful because no dowry was demanded.
And now Savitri is the sole caregiver for her mother in law who can barely get up from bed. If she asks her husband to spend some time with his mother, he feels she is finding excuses to avoid what he sees as her ‘work’.
The mother in law sometimes tells the son she is being neglected by Savitri . He conveys his displeasure to Savitri . Savitri has no affection for her mother in law, she just does what is required of her because she has no choice. The son has no interest in contributing more than the finances. The mother doesn’t appear to expect it either.
Do you think Mr Savitri’s mother is happy/satisfied with the situation?
3. Ms Shravan Kumar left her almost completely bed ridden mother in law with her husband to go to another city to shop for her son’s wedding. She is bitter and says she has no affection for her mother in law because she had made her give up her government job when she was young and was generally ill treated by her. Mr Shravan Kumar left milk and chappaties in a covered bowl by his mother’s bedside and left for work at 8 am, came back at 10 pm, for around a month, leaving the keys with the neighbors. A maid servant used to collect the keys from the neighbors and unlock the door and work everyday but later refused to work in that house because she was afraid that if something happened to the mother in law, she would be blamed.
This is the worst case of elder abuse I have ever seen. How could this have been different?
4. Kaikeyi’s mother in law had died long before she was married and she got along, and was loved and respected by her father in law and her husband’s married, older sisters, who visited often but everybody lived in their own homes. Kaikeyi and her husband are known to have lovingly cared for her father in law. They could not afford full time nurses, but they appreciated what Kaikeyi was doing. Mr Kaikeyi and their son shared the care giving and spent a lot of time by her father in law’s side, and the sisters contributed financially and in any other way required, although her father in law had his pension too. He died peacefully at 94.
Was it lack of interference and criticism that built this loving relationship? Did the father in law’s financial independence help? Did the father in law not living with them (while he was in good health) help?
Could it be the absence of a mother in law that made it easier for the family to see Kaikeyi as in-charge of her own house, family and life?
5. Ms Jahanara in her fifties has hired an attendant at night and a trained nurse during the day for her father (84). Her father has enough income to be able to afford this. He is taken on a wheel chair for all family gatherings and looks forward to his twice daily walks on wheelchair, sometimes his daughter, son in law and visiting grand children and relatives also join him. He loves that.
They live in the same house, the door is not allowed to be kept shut even if the AC is on, because the daughter wants to be able to hear if her father calls out to her. His favorite foods are cooked for him (by a cook) and his wheel chair is brought into the living room specially when there are visitors known to him. Even though he has dementia, he is treated with respect and what he says taken with reasonable seriousness. He sometimes moves to his other daughter’s home too. The only son is settled abroad.
Once again, would this have faced criticism if he was the husband’s father? Many people seem to see hiring help as shirking of responsibility (and abuse) by daughters in law.
6. Ms Kunti at 71 has hired two attendants for herself, both of them can drive and take her around to meet her family and friends. She is in good health and her desire for independence ensures she takes good care of her health and finances. Her two daughters call her everyday, and generally find her preoccupied with her favorite TV serials. At 71, she is still a support to her children and visits them only when they need her. She has a son too and although her daughters would like to care for her, she feels it’s the son daughter in law who should look after her (if and when needed). This is very common and seems to go with the thinking that only the son should inherit the parents’ care-giving, family name and property etc.
One reason for such thinking is the neighbor’s opinion. Indian society tends to age people faster. Respectable behavior is expected. Bright colors, loud music, going for holidays (except pilgrimage), spending on oneself and living on their own and being independent has traditionally been commented upon by the neighbor’s third cousin’s nephews.
I feel most elderly would love to be independent – specially if they have tasted the confidence that comes from being able to take care of their own needs (for as long as possible).
But independence in the elderly is often seen as a sign that one’s children (mainly daughters in law) are not caring for them. Indian elderly seem to want the world to know that their sons and indirectly their daughters in law, care for them. This must be proved by their being seen wearing certain kind of clothing and by living with them.
Would it help if the elderly in India could really live their lives, have interests and friends of their own and were generally more satisfied with their lives?
But the biggest change would be if instead of looking at their son’s spouse for care giving, they could expect their own sons and daughters to take care of them. And if one took pride in their self reliance.
Related posts:
A few elder care arrangements that work for ALL concerned – Sangitha
Thoughts while standing on threshold – Suranga
IHM though I don’t disagree that many elders are seriously abused by their children, their wives/ husbands and grandchildren I disagree with the stats the DILs are the biggest abusers.
Im not saying that there aren’t DILs who abuse the elders but the highest is crap.
In other words, how do you define abuse by a daughter-in-law? Is it the same as abuse by the son? Or does it include just generally being a “bad” daughter-in-law?
maybe the elderly’s memory is not to be totally trusted? so the survey has to be taken with a 100 grains of salt?
I am glad DILs are not running the country
But i have some serious thoughts about it too…
First of all the DIL is blamed just because it is considered her duty and everybody expects her to do the care giving part. The expectations are very difficult to fulfill so the dissatisfaction is generated and that dissatisfaction is just against the DIL as she was the one who was meant to DO all of it.
Secondly , as you said there is always a tendency of Indian parents to control the lives of their children. The sons are less bitter by this situation ( but they do feel bitter , although not showing it, is convenient for them) as they have grown with the parents and know more about their ways…the DIL may see these control tactics as an end to her freedom and feel bitter for life. No care giving is possible if there is no attachment or bonding.
Thirdly, I would say …DILs are seen and brought into the family as workers and caregivers most of the times . So the blame will certainly fall on them, regardless of the efforts she made to actually comfort the elders…it is very difficult to fulfill expectations …i have personally seen expectations growing after the prior ones are fulfilled…
There should be a discussion on how older parents should lead their own lives, it is as important as the early parenting. I have seen sometimes parents compare the comforts of modern times with the difficulties of earlier times and that adds to the blame that now a days even after having so many facilities we are not being taken care of…they do not understand that life has become more difficult than the earlier times.
Oops …how did i forget that it’s a DIL who is running the country through a puppet
I firmly believe – what goes around comes around…
So, the In-Laws would have treated her terribly in the early stages of her marriage or probably continue to do so till their failed health…
DILs are humans first – how can anyone overlook years of continuous abuse?
There is no therapy, no closure and no healing for a majority of the women… and all this is very imp for any person who has been abused – verbally, emotionally and physically…
Amen! Totally agree.
When a son’s wife comes in the family, she is expected to make all the adijustments, love everyone unconditionlayy even though their wavelenghts are poles apart and put up with anything and everythng with a smiling face.
If she is treated with respect and love, she will give it back in equal, if not more doses.
Yes – what goes around definitely comes around
“Indian society tends to age people faster.”
This is so true. Thank You for sayng it aloud
yea.. I agree on this too…
I see my parents’ friends here and all of them are over 60, some even close to 80 and they are all independent, happy, healthy (touchwood!) people who enjoy quality time with their families – sons, DILS, daughters… The DILs are attentive, affectionate and love their in-laws to bits.. That look of pure affection in a person’s eyes is never a lie.. the feelings are always reciprocated back!
I know of this one family – the parents live by themselves, the son and their daughters are all living within driving distance of their folks.. they take care of them when they are sick, pamper them to bits otherwise!!!
They are truly a family!
Me – Pixie I think this works very well for many people, close but not together.
ok.. will stop rambling now!
Me – That’s insightful rambling
And that made me ramble again, agreeing on Starry’s comment!
It seems like the nice in-laws get the crappy, evil daughter-in-laws and the evil, crappy in-laws get the nice, sweet. kind daughter-in-law. Murphys law.
Sometimes, though they both have issues.
India needs to have therapist that are neutral come in and wiegh in on in-law situtation.
At the end of the day be kind to the older people, becuase you will be old one day too and your children learn from example.
I understand it might be extremely hard to be kind when someone is trying to burn you to death for a petty scooter or car. In those cases the women should have dumped them a long time ago.
If it is jusr regular skirmishes, people should let it go and enjoy life.
Ariana do take a look at Sangeeta Khanna’s comment, I don’t think it’s about how good or bad daughters in law are.
IHM, you shsould have used made-up names instead of using AB, CD, EF etc. Now that just made things a little confusing.
LOL okay, maybe i can edit this… please suggest some made up names? How about Kaikeyi, Draupadi, Kunti etc?
great names to to be used
My take on this is that if the now-aged parents had not spent all their money/savings in their kids’ educations/weddings, they would not need to depend on their sons, daughters, and their spouses.
India has a parasitic system where children go for expensive higher education on their parents’ income, and live with them until they can afford their own homes (very often this is past marriage/kids). So there are situations when aged parents have grown up sons/daughters and grandkids living with them. This really needs to change.
The second one is generally more like:
The ‘son’ part is crucial. If you don’t have a son, you lose the right to
a) be tired, bitter and cranky;
b) get free care from your DIL; and
c) repeat across generations.
CLS, that algorithm was bang on!
‘Self sacrifice’…ugghh how I hate that word!
//India has a parasitic system where children go for expensive higher education on their parents’ income, and live with them until they can afford their own homes (very often this is past marriage/kids). So there are situations when aged parents have grown up sons/daughters and grandkids living with them. This really needs to change.//
If these old people had been living their own lives instead of their children’s they wouldn’t be in such a mess. This is a miserable stage of their lives and they need to blame it on someone, why is this so surprising? This is exactly what happens when you live in co-dependent system.
IHM – Thanks for the running edits
Me – Welcome
I wanted to highlight what you pointed out so succinctly.
Thank you for writing this post. I am truly tired of the ‘youngster-bashing’ and unfair criticism (esp of d-i-l’s and women) I hear in the real world, and read about on the blogosphere. You’ve brought out the most important points that have been on my mind.
There’s one more thing. I was speaking with a friend today who is struggling with her mother-in-law’s health issues, and sliding into depression because she’s unable to go out or pay ANY attention to her son. This really bothers me. I fully believe elders should be independent for as long as possible, and when not possible they should consider the needs of others in the family, not turn down outside helpers, or adjustments of their own….for the sake of their grandchildren. What sense does it make to neglect a new generation to do what the older one can do for themselves or can be outsourced to helpers?
I agree with you on this.
Another example:
My granny lives by herself – my first maama used to live upstairs, but he got a great job in a different city and my granny was the first person who told him to go…
She gets sick sometimes, my aunt or my cousin take her to the doc or she goes with her sister or by herself. She is fiercely independent and though my younger maama is also in Bangalore (different locality), she refuses to go and stay with them because she wants her independence and she doesn’t want to disturb my cousins’ exams or the attention my maama and maami give them or even their independence! They are just a phone call away and she has all the help she needs, all outsourced.
@Starry, I agree with, “What sense does it make to neglect a new generation to do what the older one can do for themselves or can be outsourced to helpers?”
For example, how many older people are willing to give up their soaps during the study times of little ones?? Most of them have TVs blaring not caring two hoots. If the DIL tells them to adjust a bit due to lack of space, she is branded as cruel and non caring. I suppose such things are also counted as abuse in the above statistics??!!
Generally older people tend to blame whoever is caring for them even if it is their own daughter. So one can imagine how it is when it is the DIL who is the caretaker. I have a relative who is taken care of by the daughter and the unmarried son. But she does not have a good word for them, instead says the DIL who stays far away would have done a better job. A case of grass being greener on the other side.
My own MIL was well taken care of by her oldest DIL with whom she stayed. But she never failed to fill the ears of her other sons with sob stories (made up and exaggerated) whenever they visited.
My conclusion (from my own observation is that only a very rare few elders refrain from the martyr-act in their old age. A lot of that can be avoided in life if each one lived their life instead of the “sacrifice for children and then get them to sacrifice for you” mentality is wiped out.
I can so relate to one of the situations you had mentioned. My grand mom was mean to my mom and her other DIL’s and my dad( and the rest of hi sbrothers) did their best(or so thye claim) to make both happy without actually taking a proper stand. Grand mom was a great actress who could summon up tears whenever needed and say things like, what is the point of my life, I have so many sons, nobody cares for me etc… the usual drama.
This went on for a long time and she made all her DIL’s unhappy. My Grandparents would take turns visiting everybody and those 2-3 months of the year was torture and all the sons & DIL’s felt the same way.
By the time she was very old and needed help, everybody was willing to help financially, but not be physically present. As usual, the burden fell on all the DIL’s and my grand mom was shuttled around every 2months(even though she was bed ridden) and finally everybody was happy that she passed away! Can you believe it that people are happy to see somebody go?
This whole drama took a lot out of everybody. But, the ironic thing is now all the DIL’s get along really well and when everybody gets together for a family function, people are genuinely happy to see each other and get along really well.
Sorry about the rambling, but this reminded me of the situation back home!
It is surveys like these which mess up the minds of people further and lay further pressure on DILs to concede to the (many times unreasonable) demands of the in laws. How come the daughters and son in laws are not in picture in this survey? I am sure in many cases the parents will also have daughters and hence SILs.
The responsibility to care for both set of parents lies on both the sons and daughters equally (and equally on DILs and SILs). If the in laws care and love and respect the DIL and let her be her own person I do not see any reason why the DIL should abuse the in laws! She is not born as a tyrant! Ofcourse, there are a handful of exceptions in this, but most of the times the feelings of love and respect and a sense of duty are developed only when it is mutual. It is a two way street. You cannot expect you children and children in law to love and respect you if you dont reciprocate the same respect they deserve as “adults”.
And why not publish a parallel survey where girls are surveyed and the results come out as most of them will prefer living with their parents instead of getting married, and the number of cases where the girls are end up taking their lives because of the abuse the in laws inflict on them!
Expectations need to be jointly decided, I think. Whether it is that children need to stop expecting all education to be paid by parents beyond a certain stage (if either retirement or kids’ education is a choice) or how elders are to be cared for. Children need to be active participants in their own lives just like elders need to be in the joint-driver’s seats on their own care.
All expectations of DILs needs to be highly reviewed by all parties, including DILs parents. It comes down to people figuring out that they all only have one life to lead and need to be able to choose to do it the way they like, without interfering in another’s or making them change their entire life just to be able to take care of an elder.
Respect is as respectable does!
Have not read the post yet, but hey, if abuse by DILs is possible/so common, I’d be happy to learn a few tips
Just kidding, before I get bashed up !!!
Me – When so much is expected from one family member, in the name of family values, one does expect some resentment, and anyway, like Sangeeta Khanna pointed out, these kind of expectations are impossible to meet, and no matter how hard she tries, 100% means each one is an abuser?
The moment the word daughter in law is uttered suddenly everyone starts talking and singing a different tune. What i feel bad about is how one relationship just by the virtue of being called DIL get all the sympathy but the moment the relationship is about MIL, Sil how happily most spit venom and call them evil. Wait why do we always empathize and sympathize with people just bec they fall in a particular bracket of DIl or bash someone up bec they are under the other bracket of the so called evil people.. Lets just for a moment stop and think, each individual, each situation is different. If an X person is evil, lets just humiliate or bash up the person why target the whole community that X belongs too..There are bad MIL, Bad Dil, Bad husbands, Bad FIL, Bad Sil, Bad Bil, Bad brothers, Bad Sisters, Bad Mothers , Bad Dads and bad kids..sadly many elders are facing a bad time nowadays which is a fact, it could be for n number for reasons but the fact remains our country is not equipped to take care of elderly people. Yes, more and more people are realizing the benefit of living their lives for themselves. The Grand parents no more wait to look after their grandkids and nor are the young couples ready to stay with parents.That’s cool and healthy environment but sadly even now in india most of us are emotionally tied to our families and hence take emotional decisions rather than rational one. But India is evolving and hopefully larger section of the society is gearing towards saving their hard earned money for their retirement and not just giving it away to their kids with the expectation of their kids taking care of them in their old age.
Anonymous this post is about elder care and what could be possible, workable solutions. I agree one can’t make accurate generalizations. Why did you think this post sympathized unfairly with daughters in law?
Who defines what is abuse? For some of these elderly people, abuse might be equal to the DIL just expressing her opinion on something in the family!! Isn’t that against the idea of how an ideal DIL should be?
Is it really that difficult to accept an ‘outsider’ as a part of the family? Not only in words, but also in action?
What does it take to have cordial relationship between IL-DIL? Just a little bit of love, concern and care… Why put the burden of excessive expectation on either of them and then criticize when they falter?
“Who defines what is abuse? For some of these elderly people, abuse might be equal to the DIL just expressing her opinion on something in the family!!”
So very true.. Something that was missing from the survey.. and it was this! The lack of definition for ‘abuse’ as elderly ILs see it.
I think an entire generation of Indians have been raised on Ekta Kapoor’s K serials and before that, those horried MIL-DIL family dramas starring Aruna Irani as the evil MIL, Rekha/ Jaya Prada as the long-suffering DILs and Jitendra/ Anil Kapoor as the hapless sandwiched son. However, I do think it is possible for MILs and DILs to be genuinely loving and affectionate towards each other. I see many examples of healthy MIL-DIL relationships in my extended family and circle of acquaintances.
The common denominator in all of them is a high level of tolerance, respect and emotional maturity displayed by all family members, the MIL, the FIL, the son, the sister-in-law and the DIL. It takes time and effort to establish healthy relationships between DILs and the in-laws, but it can be done if everyone displays respect, restraint and care towards each other. In fact, I will go so far as to say that I see more strained relationships in conservative, traditional families than in families that are less hierachical and more “modern”. I see a lot of strained relationships in families that treat their DILs in stereotypical ways, as lesser beings who only exist to serve and obey.
My MIL and I get on quite well. She has had to undergo a lot of abuse from her own MIL (who is still alive and still abusing her) and didn’t want to continue the cycle. So, she has been very nice to both her daughters-in-law. But the irony of her situation is that, her other DIL gets together with the grand-MIL and adds on my MIL’s misery.
Indian parents need to develop interests apart from their children. Then this cycle of depending on their children for their happiness and and blaming them for their unhappiness will stop.
About elder care, different families need to find their own solutions. My grandpa (mom’s father) was bed-ridden for the last few years of his life. Since my mother had retired by then (all her brothers and their wives work), she took care of him with the help of a geriatric nurse and all my uncles pitched in financially and also helped with arranging for the nurse, hospital visits etc. But it was very difficult for my mom since she was tied to the house and couldn’t really focus on her life. We (my sis and I) thought it was quite unfair, but as my mom says this was the most practical situation.
NN agree with interests developing outside child production, handi cooking, eating and generally striving very hard to be like other members of the bubble. But you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
Agree Glacier. I cannot get my mom to get involved in activities outside home. There is a lesson in this for the younger generation though – have your own life and do not live through your children. But I still see women of my age whose life revolves around their children.
Well, very frankly, the results do seem a bit dubious to me, and I’d like some more information about the methodology and sampling algorithm before I take them as gospel truth. In particular, the hundred percent figure seems very hard to believe. Statistical analyses can be tweaked easily enough and with all due respect to HelpAge India’s vision, they do have an agenda they’re trying to push. The data are presented along stereotypical lines. Daughters and son in laws aren’t even mentioned. If 44% of the sons are abusive, and there is a vast horde of evil, abusive women out there (as the 100% figure suggests), then surely, some of these women must be abusive to their own parents too? And surely, it’s reasonable to assume that at least some proportion of the sons who are abusive to their own parents would also be abusive to their in-laws?
I think most of us do realize that elder abuse is not uncommon in India. Like IHM, I believe it is a systemic issue. I also believe that in the vast majority of cases when elders are abused, the blame cannot be laid one any one person.
IHM said:
This is very true. If this one factor was removed, I think HelpAge India would find it’s job considerably easier. I got a taste of this a few months ago:
I have no kids of my own and don’t plan to have any. Consequently, both me and my wife have been saving and investing diligently for our retirement. To be honest, I don’t think I’d do things any differently if I did have kids. I wouldn’t expect them to take care of me when I retire. I don’t think anyone should. If your kids can help you out, great. But you shouldn’t EXPECT them to. Nor should anyone try to DEMAND that help. Financial planning should always be done with the worst-case scenario in mind, not the best case. It might seem distasteful, but if you want to be really secure, you need to come up with a plan that works even if your kids turn out to be rotten to the core. I’m not a psychologist but I do know that financial independence has a tremendous positive effect on the way you see yourself (and therefore, the way others treat you). The moment you’re financially independent, you’re no longer anywhere near as vulnerable as you would’ve been if you were depending on someone else to buy you food and pay your bills.
Finally, as pixie said, what goes around comes around. It’s something that people need to be keep in mind every time they hurl abuses at the bahu/resident slave
The grass is always greener on the other side – if people had their sons driving them around, soon they and the ‘log’ will start wondering why son has so much time, whether he’s a loser because he’s not too busy to do things and actually begin to deify the other sons who may not be driving the parents around but travels to Bolivia and Mongolia, with barely a stop to refuel in between! ;-D
Interesting line of thought, and probably quite true. I’m pretty sure that excuse would never do for a DIL, though. If you are the bahu, your career is just a sort of minor inconvenience. MIL’s kitty parties are infinitely more important.
*shudder* That scenario sounds so familiar! A perfectly innocent remark suggested to solve a problem leading to a whole lot of pent-up anger and regrets against you (about which you have no idea) simply leading on and on. Women REALLY need things to do in our society than spend the day brooding over past wrongs! We put up with the same things, PT. Looks like you are my soul brother, lol!
Heh.
We have a lot of soul siblings.
And yes, I know it’s pent-up anger when an admonition that is supposed to be about elder care and family values, starts to touch upon such closely related stuff as my career choices, lifestyle and religious beliefs, not to mention my WIFE’S career and wardrobe choices.
First, daughters in law are not caregivers. They are spouses of the son of the older parents and must be treated as such.
Second, most people are able to take care of themselves, even if they have diseases like diabetes. A little care for the self, some discipline, healthy interests outside the home, regular exercise is good enough for most elderly people. Not every elderly person is handicapped! Most are not. The problem is that elderly Indians sit and want “care” by their children even if they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.
IHM. in the scenarios you have depicted, why is the responsibility for taking care of the elderly fall squarely upon the woman? It is the children’s duty to take care of the parents, and if the child is a son, then his duty.
In the 3rd scene, Mr. Shravan Kumar ought to be prosecuted. It is HIS mother, HIS responsibility, not his wife’s. If he was at work from 8 AM to 10 PM (which is not a life worth living anyway), he ought to be earning enough to give his mother a nurse, or at least a full-time maid. If he could not afford to give his mother a nurse, what is the point of slaving away all day long? He might as well have taken a holiday for a while, and arranged with another sibling or family member, or even the wife to HELP HIM out. The way I see it, he was counting on the lady to do all the slavery for his mother, and when she did not oblige, he did not care to lift a finger either.
I remember my friend telling me her co-sister had left her job to take care of their mother-in-law who broke her leg. I was quite puzzled and asked her why her son did not do it instead. The look on her face! Why do we assume all this stuff needs to be done by women? A lot of women are not inclined to be motherly and caring. I personally am usually at a loss when someone falls sick, other than rushing them to the doctor and making sure they have meals and medicines on time. So why am I better suited to take care of a MIL (if I ever have one) than her own son, who may be a more gentle person and likes fussing over sick people. It depends on the personality of a person whether or not they are capable of doing this job, which after all could be an exacting one.
Me – I agree Fem. Elder care is a lot of hard work (if they are really dependent) and I feel, like all the other jobs that nobody else wants to do, it falls on the family member who can be most easily bullied and is dependent on the more powerful family members.
Fem brings up an interesting point, elders are increasingly presenting with more complex disease states,( ie insulin dependent with congestive heart failure & uncontrolled hypertension) – a combination I see quite commonly in India.) Although many diabetic elders are able to manage a complicated care, diet & dosing scheme most are not able to do so on their own. The lifestyle changes & complex insulin dosing regimens often necessary to effectively manage are a bit beyond the average DIL ‘s capabilities. Even if DIL is a healthcare professional, without specific diabetic care experience it’s a difficult situation. I can not see how bringing in a caregiver with specialized diabetes training can be avoided.
The mothers-in-law of the last generation(ones who are probably in their late 60′s) ill-treated the DIL because that’s probably how they were treated as DIL. Some(some not all) of the more recent MIL’s are better since they see how the new generation treats parents if they are not nice to them.
If the same survey is taken, lets say, 10 years hence, I’m sure the results would be a little different if not drastically.
Most of the times it’s merely a case of how you sow, so shall you reap.
If the children love and respect their parents, be it biological or ILs, they will take care of them.
All that needs to be done by parents, is to be lovable and respectable.
I remember( very vaguely) reading or being told something like this ( from some ancient text) – Treat your kid like a king/queen in the earliest years, during teens treat them like workers and once they have physically grown to be an adult treat them like an equal. Too bad I cant remember this fully! Something tells me I am missing a phase as such.
I am glad that concepts like having a home nurse, attendants etc are gaining root and making lives better. I also wish there were day care centers for adults, medical or non-medical..so that parents wont have to be alone at home while kids are at school and we are at work.
Thanks for raising the issue. Each family has its unique problem….. and it takes two to tango!
I am assuming, from the survey, that if a DIL was involved, then there is a son somewhere there in the background, who sees everything that is happening and refuses to do anything about it – if infact there is abuse happening. So it is a surprise to see that the ILs think that the DIL is to blame! I am not for one moment saying that abuse does not happen. It does and the abused need to be helped. But given a society like India’s we need to clearly define what is abuse before collecting such statistics.
Based on these answers, we can shed light on people actually suffering from abuse (many who would say they are not abused because they are scared of the abuser) and weed out the “abuse” stemming from cultural expectations. Just asking “are you abused” is very vague and subjective, especially in a such a culturally unfair setting.
What 100 % and where 100% ? Did they actually take the entire Population of Adults above 60 years in India(which means around 8-10 % of about 1.2 billion people) or is it a mere Sampling of some 200 or 300 adults in ONE particular area? That survey and statistics doesn’t make sense to me. It feels like there is some agenda behind the survey — Could it mean Business or Votes for some person with clout or are the Khaps now working with survey so they can bring in newer bans on what the DIL can or cannot do?
Any relationship works well if there respect, compassion, building of trust, space for each to grow and a good degree of self-reliance. I wonder if the survey ever asked about how much communication(not ordering/commanding or being defensive/offensive) the MIL and DIL share.
MySoul, a survey always involves a sample so you cannot expect them to survey everybody. One hopes it is a representative sample.
In my entire life, I have seen exactly 2 cases where the DIL has really abused the MIL/in-laws. One was my old neighbour, another was an uncle’s wife, who literally threw her in-laws out of the house. I think what they did was outrageous.
Now having said that, imagine, I have seen only 2 cases in all. In EVERY other family, that I have known/seen/am part of, it is the in-laws who have enormous expectations out of the DIL, leave no stone unturned to make her feel ‘she is not worthy of their son’ and that ‘her parents did an awful job of bringing her up’. With such a lot of baggage being thrust upon the DIL, I think it is quite unfair to expect her to ‘strive for perfection’ when all she is surrounded by, is criticism and negativity.
Me – In the two cases you mentioned, was the son unemployed? Were there other siblings? Whose house was it? If the dil was not supporting them financially also, did she throw them out of their own house? Just wondering if it is possible to throw someone out of a house they legally own. And if they were totally dependent on the dil, care giving and financial support, then where were their own children?
If every one, young or old could be held responsible/accountable for taking care of his/her parents….if people married because they wanted to….if their choice, decision was accepted wholeheartedly….if the elderly sat back and relaxed and let the youngsters take charge of their lives…if they looked forward to enjoying life by being ‘self-reliant’ in every way….if they made plans for old age ‘just for themselves’…if both men and women took care of their health issues and stayed active by engaging in physical activities rather than sitting with their feet up waiting for someone to make life happen for them…if people relied more on their own instincts and cared less about what the world said….
I am sure the thought of taking this survey wouldn’t arise….!
Why can’t couples who are done raising children…just let go, relax, explore and enjoy life with whatever they have?? There is so much to learn, see, share, experience…why not indulge in enriching our lives and that of everyone else we touch? Aren’t the elderly supposed to set examples for us to follow?
Motto of a parent/child should be: Be proud of me and make me proud of you.
I think it cuts both ways. Both sides are equally responsible for the breaking down of any relationship.
Interesting survey statistics. If the survey is repeated ..Say after 20 years, every one including the daughters, son inlaws, sons etc. might have come up as villains. Also if this survey was held in a village where joint family system still holds strong results would have been very different.
DILs become the main villain here because we are in a transition phase from joint family system to nuclear family system. The problem is that of expectations and traditions as many pointed out.
In future we can expect the burden of looking after the sick elderly may fall more on the daughters as even in nuclear family system Patriarchy remains…
Many have asked why parents live their own lives instead of depending on their children. From the current generation of parents they will do. Older generations where not able to afford or was not able because of the feudal joint family system.
Also hired help is only possible in market economy and it will become more and more acceptable to the rich who can afford it.
This study definitely needs more analysis. As some above have asked, how come daughters and son-in-laws don’t seem to figure at all? Are the elderly surveyed only elderly who live with their children? Where there is abuse, have they probed the possible reasons? Have they asked if there was reciprocal abuse – have the elderly also abused their daughter-in-laws?
The study has defined what is meant by abuse, though I think they could be clearer. It differentiates between physical abuse and verbal abuse. I was shocked that the percentage of physical abuse – severe beatings – is quite high in some cities. I think this definitely needs further investigation.
It also made one insightful observation – that where economic independence of the elderly was more (for example, in Chennai), the abuse rate was lower.
Elderly people are also prone to exaggeration when they in a bad mood. My grandmother who is 97 lives with my mum. When she first moved in with us, my dad told her she was very welcome in our home but would have to adjust as we didn’t have a big apartment. My grandmother should be more comfortable now because my sis and I have moved out and she has her own room. But with age, she is growing increasingly difficult. She hides food and other gross stuff in nooks and crannies, whereever she sees space she occupies it with her stuff, mainly plastic bags and bits and pieces. She wants to eat all the time and have her meals at increasingly more frequent intervals. I can see where some of these behaviors are coming from – she had to make do with very little when she was newly married so she has always been a hoarder – but its easier to understand from afar and very difficult to live with. once in a while, my mum gives her room a thorough clean and throws away a lot of decomposing stuff. My grandmom is highly affronted by this and has told people my mom is horrible to her. Most people know this is not the case and take it with a pinch of salt but it hurts my mother who is her main caregiver although she has six other siblings. So the accounts of the elderly might not be entirely reliable though they should not be discounted either.
इस स्थिति का एक पक्ष और हैं
हर बुजुर्ग असहाय होता हैं उम्र के इस मुकाम पर लेकिन समस्या इस मुकाम पर नहीं शुरू होती हैं समस्या शुरू होती है
हमारे यहाँ माँ पिता बच्चो को जनम देने के कारण उनको अपनी जागीर की तरह मानते हैं . इस कारण से वो अपने “अधिकार ” कभी छोडते ही नहीं जब तक बढ़ती उम्र की असह्यता उनसे ये नहीं करवाती हैं .
अगर एक स्त्री का विवाह १८ वर्ष की आयु में हो जाए और १९ वर्ष में वो माँ बनजाये तो जब वो ४४ साल की होगी तो वो सास बनने की तयारी में होगी यानी उसका बेटा २५ साल का होगा और एक २३ साल के आस पास की लड़की उसके घर आ रही होगी .
४४ साल की सास ना तो बूढी हैं ना जवान और उसकी नज़र में २३ साल की बहू को कुछ नहीं आता . सो आज भी बहुत से परिवारों में ये सास अपने अधिकार में सब कुछ रखती हैं जबकि बहू को क्युकी अब उसकी शादी हो गयी हैं इस लिये अपना घर चाहिये अपना अधिकार चाहिये जहा वो “निर्णय ” ले सके .
४४ साल से सास ५४ की होती हैं तो बहू ३३ की पर अभी भी बहू – बेटा “छोटे ” ही रहते क्यकी अभी सास सक्षम हैं और इस वजह से बहू और बेटा या तो अलग हो जाते हैं या उसी घर में कलह का कारन बनता है
६४ साल की सास की बहू ४४ साल की होती हैं लेकिन फिर भी “ना समझ ” रहती हैं जबकि वही सास जब ४४ साल की थी तो इतनी सक्षम थी की अपने घर में २३ साल की लड़की को बहू बना कर ले आये थी
७४ साल की सास की बहू ५४ साल की होती हैं और तब तक सास अशक्त होती हैं तब उसको लगता हैं अब कोई अधिकार उसके पास नहीं रह गया वही ५४ साल की बहू को लगता हैं की वो कितना करे और कब तक
क्रम जारी रहता
ना जाने कितने घरो में बहू को इस लायक भी नहीं समझा जाता की वो अपने घर में मैड रख कर काम करवा सके . उसके लिये भी सास से पूछना पड़ता हैं .
धीरे धीर बहू -बेटा घर से जुडने की जगह अलग होने का सोचने लगते हैं
जिस समय बच्चे १८ वर्ष के हो जाए उस समय के बाद उनके निर्णय का सम्मान होना चाहिये
शादी के बाद उनकी घर गिरहस्ती उनके निर्णय से चलनी चाहिये अगर बहू वोर्किंग हैं तो ये उस का और उसके पति का निर्णय हो की उनके बच्चे कैसे और कहां रहे .
संयुक्त परिवार हो तो भी निर्णय लेने का अधिकार घर के बड़ो के हाथ में नहीं हर दपत्ति का अपना होना चाहिये
और सबसे जरुरी बात हैं की हम सब को अपने बुढापे के बारे में सोचना चाहिये और अपनी संतान को उसके अधिकार सौप कर उसकी जिंदगी में दखल बंद कर देनी चाहिये
अशक्त माता पिता को सहारा देना बच्चे तब सीखेगे जब आप उनको “निर्णय ” लेने देगे . बच्चे सम्पत्ति नहीं होते हैं बच्चे को कर्तव्य और अधिकार उनको बताने पड़ते हैं सीखने पड़ते हैं लेकिन १८ वर्ष की उम्र तक ही क्युकी उसके बाद वो “बालिग ” हैं अपने निर्णय लेने के लिये .
ये कहना की नयी पीढ़ी लापरवाह गलत हैं क्युकी उसको ये थाती हमने दी हैं
मै ओल्ड एज होम केवल उनलोगों के लिये सही मानती हूँ जिनकी अपनी कोई आय और सम्पत्ति नहीं हैं
मेरी इस पोस्ट से सहमति हैं लेकिन निदान से नहीं , निदान के लिये हमको अपने पारिवारिक ढांचों में बदलाव लाना होगा , हम को अपनी सोच में बदलाव लाना होगा . बच्चो पर अधिकार छोड़ना होगा .
इसके अलावा जिन लोगो के पास पैसा हैं और उनको बुढ़ापे में किसी के साथ की जरुरत हैं और उनके बच्चो के पास समय नहीं हैं तो उनको अपने लिये ऐसे लोग खोजने होगे जो पैसा लेकर उनके साथ २४ घंटे रहे .
हम को ये सोच बदलनी होगी की क्युकी बच्चे हमारी सम्पत्ति के उत्तराधिकारी हैं तो हम उनकी “ज़िम्मेदारी ” हैं .
रचनाजी,
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यदा कदा हम आपके ब्लॉग पर भी आया करेंगे।
आपका विश्लेषण और आपकी बातों से सहमत हूँ।
शुभकामनाएं
जी विश्वनाथ
thank you
the one who gave thumbs down should have at least given a opinion
The thing with statistics is, data can be manipulated into any which way you want it to look. There are liars, damn liars, and then there are statisticians.
Did they define what constitutes ‘abuse’ before they measured it? Or did they mean ‘perception of abuse’ as opposed to abuse itself? How do you measure the perception of abuse? What was the control situation? What is the alpha value? What kind of a test did they use?
These kind of ‘statistical findings’ are just propoganda used by newspapers to sell themselves.
Nice post, first of I would say, that not doing one’s “duties” as society expects them to is not abuse ! Abuse is actively trying to demean, or harm in some way another individual who may or may not be dependent on you. What is the case here, seems to be more in terms of neglect rather than abuse to me. I think DIL’s are standing up for their rights in the terms that, traditionally it was always them who was supposed to look after the IL’s, and not the son who is the actual child of their’s and has the close bond with them ,or is supposed to have atleast. It’ll be interesting to see how many sons actually take over the responsibility of elder care, if they are left to care for them, all by themselves, i bet we would see a lot more people ending up in old age homes, and nursing homes and such .
The survey result doesn’t surprise me, since the people surveyed were the IL’s…i.e the parents of the man in the relationship or the husband…..IL’s always have a way of blaming everything on their DIL, that goes against their wishes, it’s never the son’s fault, always the DIL, blame her, she’s the reason, he’s a good son, if only she would support him more…well, you know what ??? If he were such a good son, he would make alternate arrangements for care for his elderly parents, than just dumping them on his wife, who isn’t thrilled to do the job, especially when she can’t do the same for own parents ( in most cases) . I think the only way this problem can be solved is, by actually moving to a system where parents can be cared for by daughters instead of sons, most daughters will lovingly care for their parents, rather than their IL’s, if she had to choose…..my 2 cents.
I am unable to believe this figure of 100 percent.
I am willing to believe any figure from 40 percent to 60 percent.
Did Help age speak to the daughters in law also?
I hope they have not presented a one sided picture.
While I admit, there are cases of ill treatment of the elderly, not all cases can be considered ill treatment.
There are families where the old become demented too. They become forgetful. They become really difficult to look after. They mis-behave. They act like difficult children. They can also cause acute embarrassment to the family by improper behaviour in front of outsiders. If they live long enough, their dementia progresses to Alzheimer’s disease. That can be a really difficult situation for any one to handle. It is easy to blame the DILs of abuse when that happens. The sons are usually away most of the time. It is the DIL who has to bear the brunt since she is all the time in the house. The old see only the DIL all the time and naturally blame the DIL for their frustrations and depression.
I have experienced this myself from close quarters. While most of the time, my parents lived with my brother, while my in-laws lived with me, towards the last few weeks of my mother’s life all four of them (parents and inlaws) were living with me. It wasn’t easy for me and my wife. Fortunately both my children had moved out by then as they were adults. My daughter was married and living in USA. My son was abroad in UK persuing his studies.
My mother passed away in 2006 while she was living with me. My father continued to live with me after that for the next nine months and then moved back to my brother for the next nine months, came back to me for another six months, went back to my brother till he finally passed away four months ago. At my place he would demand to be taken to my brother’s place in another city. My brother consoled me saying he would say the same thing when he was there and demand to be brought back to me. We gave in to his demand each time, subject to our convenience.
My wife found it too stressful to handle three elderly persons all alone.I therefore a young lady to be a house keeping assistant and live full time with us. My house is big enough to accommodate all of us including this housekeeping assistant lady. My father was 89, her father was 88 and her mother was 80.
While my in laws had only the usual age related health problems to deal with, towards the end, for nearly two years my father had become difficult if not impossible to live with. Dementia had set in. At times, he would demand food within minutes after being fed. He could not remember that he had just had his meal! His appetite remained perfectly normal even if his eyesight, and hearing was weak. We allowed him to indulge himself at the dining table.
He would enter the bathroom and come out exclaiming “There is an old man in there” . Our patient explanation that he was merely looking at his own reflection in the mirror and there was no old man other than himself did not convince him. Out of helplessness, we had to stick paper over the large mirror in the bathroom.
At night, I would leave a small night lamp on for his convenience. He would pass several sleepless hours at night, get out of his bedroom, and potter about the house with his walking stick and bump into things and fall and wake us up. Once I found him packing his suitcase in the dead of night. I went to investigate what the noise in his room was all about. When I asked him he told me he was packing up as he had to go on tour to Pune next morning! His mind had obviously traveled a few decades back in time!
I had to gently shake him out of his reverie and firmly guide him back to bed!
While he had several short term memory lapses he was able recall old memories of his childhood and career. There were days, when his mind was perfectly normal and those were our most pleasant experiences in caring for him. Fortunately, when guests were around, his behaviour would be exemplary! Not once did he embarrass us in public.
At times, he would come to me and talk of something completely unrelated. It was obvious he was continuing a several year old conversation. At times he would leave me totally stupefied with his statements. I would then discover he was talking to me as if I was his brother not his son! I had to gently remind him who I was!
Taking care of such people is not easy. There were times, when under stress from other causes, my wife and also I would lose our patience momentarily and raise our voice. We would immediately realize our mistake and feel sick and angry with our ourselves and seek his pardon. It was so comforting when he answered “what is there to pardon you for? What did you do?”. Even the hired housekeeping assistant who was totally sincere and took good care of him, sometimes would lose patience and break into tears. Knowing his mental state, after having lived with us for nearly a year, she had developed sufficient affection for him and established a kind of familiarity and soon started imitating my wife’s and my tone in talking to him. We were obliged to speak to him in a tone we use for difficult six year old child!
But there would be brief spells when his mind was perfectly normal and there was no outward indication of this to warn us. On one such occasion, when my housekeeping assistant had got his bath water mixed and ready, she took his towel and went up to him and in tone similar to a kinder garten school teacher reasoning with a kid, asked him to go for his bath, so that she could clean up later.
To our utter shock, he lashed out at her, summoned me, and demanded from me that I fire her immediatly for talking disrespectfully!
My house keeping assistant burst into tears and threatened to leave immediately. It took all my tact and patience to keep the situation under control and defuse this crisis.
At times, my father, under severe depression would demand that I buy him a ticket to our native village in Kerala. I would remind him there was no one there. The house had been sold over 30 years ago and all his old friends were no more! It would take time to persuade him to come back to his senses. Sometimes I just had to humour him and tell him I would get him a ticket. That would stop his whining. Of course I didn’t do anything about it. And of course, he never remembered his request and didn’t bother me till a few weeks later.
My doctor told me not to get alarmed. This was normal in ripe old age with some persons.
He told me, it was it me he was concerned about and not my father.
If Help Age had interviewed my father I am sure they would have notched up one more count of old persons being ill treated!
Mercifully, my father’s agony ended four months ago. He died at Mumbai and I was spared his tantrums in the last few months of his life. My brother and his wife bore the brunt during the final stages.
May his soul rest in peace.
Regards
GV
Dear GV,
This reminds me so much of my grandpa – he had to be taken care of like a child. My mother was taking care of him with the help of a geriatric nurse who stayed full time at her place. Sometime my mother would break down, but she has immense patience and continued to care for him without a break for 3 years. She always said that she could do this because she was his daughter. Any of my aunts (the DILs) who are all nice people would have found it extremely difficult.
NN
Thanks NN for responding.
I can well imagine what your mom must have been through.
Three years! Whew!
I am not too far away from the age where I might be similarly afflicted.
I only hope this is is not hereditary and I don’t become like my father.
Even if heredity is going to play some role, let’s hope I will take after my mom who was mentally alert and normal right till the last minute.
I would hate to subject my children to the experience my wife and I went through.
I am making full preparations to see that I manage on my own till it becomes impossible.
At the last stage, I would like to be in a proper old age home, and not be a nuisance to my children.
These are my proposals.
Let’s see what the Almighty disposes.
Regards
GV
GV,
Thank you for sharing this. DG would like to use it in her posts in future. Please acknowledge your consent.
Volunteering with Alzheimer’s Society I have seen first hand how dementia impacts families and caregivers; especially those with young children.
Wonder how many men will come forward and say their parents are hard to deal with and especially with their disabilities.
In agrarian communities often aging parents are physically abused by sons for property division and related disputes and no one talks about it, as if it is normal course of actions.
Peace,
Desi Girl
Yes, DG, you are free to use this story in your blogs.
Regards
GV
Such a familiar story, GV.
Recognising and accepting the mental decline of our elders is not an easy thing to do, particularly when a son, who hardly interacts with his aging parents, feels that his wife is simply complaining about them. It is only when the son/daughter actually spends time with his/her own parents as they age, may he recognise their mental decline.
Having seen my mother-in-law’s aging and decline, as well as both my parents, I realise that what fosters the best possible care from a care giver is a happy care-recipient! My father had accepted his own physical limitations and dependence, though it took him some time to do so, and his innate courtesy and reluctance to disrupt anyone else’s life and routines made him a relatively easier person to care for, for most of this period. My mother veered between cheerful and gloomy. She hated it when I finally employed a home nurse for them, after a severe bout of typhoid, (when they had to move back to Delhi where my sister took care of them for a few months), till I recovered. Despite having done my best, I do know how painful her complaints of loneliness were. The more she complained, the less I would interact, which would then bring her back to ‘normal’. Her forgetfulness caused her much grief- she would have large sums of money stashed away and not remember what she had with her. Since she did not actually need money in her daily life, apart from some money to give to visiting grandchildren etc., I’d ensure that her stash was locked up, in her room, and make sure that she always had a few thousand rupees on hand. Dad would write out a cheque from his pension account every couple of months, so that they did not feel beholden to my husband. He was really not concerned about money after that. He did have his share of delusions, but responded well to psychiatric medicines, and I could usually soothe him if he was upset.
My late MIL would crave for the company of whoever was not present. When, due to my husband’s major illness, she had to move to her daughter’s home for six months, she was extremely worried about what people would say if she dies in her daughter’s home, despite having a son. She came back to our home much before that, of course. I was able to employ a home nurse for her only ten days after she fell and broke her hip. Those ten days were a nightmare, as I also had a household to run, and a small school going child to take care of. The home nurses we had were well trained, but somehow not appreciated- the elders I’ve seen seem to want care only from family members, which is not always practical or feasible.
I do agree that many elders are, sadly, abused, for various reasons. At the same time, their care-givers do need a lot of support, some encouragement, and some relief. Mental decline among the elderly has to be recognised.
IHM, In all the cases that you’ve mentioned – Why is it that the son/son-in-law never in the picture? Isnt it his equal responsiblity to take care of the elderly – why blame only the DIL? And what is wrong in hiring help when you know that the trained help will do a better job of taking care of the elderly (especially if they need any special care) which the son/daughter/DIL will not be able to give that 100%?
And how can you term hiring help to take care of the parents as abuse and neglect?! Infact I would say that *because* they care they hired the help so they can give the best to the parents – isnt it? Instead of struggling to make sure everything for everyone is taken care of and eventually compromising on her own health/life?
I just find this survey is only trying to prove the Daughter-in-law should not have a life of her own – always the woman who should be around to ‘DO’ for others…
Me – I agree RS.
Another side to the monster-in-law strategy? Should we ask Ekta Kapoor to look into this now?!!!
Hi IHM, here’s my personal take on this:
http://rushmechatter.blogspot.com/2011/06/nuclear-familieselder-care-and-such.html
What do you think?
Don’t you think the results of this survey are biased? This could be either because :
1)Parents feel ashamed to accept that the abuse is from their own children and put the blame conveniently on the DIL (after all, blood is thicker than water)
2) It does not show if the MILs past behavior has influence on her present state
I would recommend retaking the survey using lie detectors and then you would be shocked at the actual results.There are two sides to a coin.. Just saying a lot of ‘aaaa’ and ‘ooo’ after reading one side of the story would not help… We pride our our family system, traditions, etc. But in reality this is a silent curse to our society. Our parents generataion.. forget it..we would not be able to change it . Trying to change their attitude is useless as they have already formed a comfortable shield around them.
What we need to focus is on our future as to how would we raise kids. The younger generation needs to be educated on :
1) NOT repeating their parent’s mistake
2) go back to the basics before spending hard earned money. Is it a ‘need’ or a ‘want’
3) Accept the fact that after the struggle of raising kids, they may or may not be looked after them
4) Plan for the retirement. Yes. You may feel that you are young and that it is too early but it is not…
5) Realize that good parents are not those who spend a good ‘quantity of money’ but good ‘quality of time’ with their kids. Likewise , teach the kids values of our society, traditions and money.
It will take a really long time for our outlook to change and these small steps to be implemented. At least, by the time our kids grow up such surveys would be irrelevant.
Like everyone else says, ‘These results definitely need more analysis’
and What is defined by you as harrassment may not be the case in my definition. Where the harrassment defined – like beating, not being given food, not being given medicines, etc etc
The problem with Indian society is that we expect. We expect too much out of people – be it parents, be it children, be it siblings, be it friends.
Why cant we just save for a rainy day and ensure we dont depend on anyone during our old age?
the entire problem starts when parents start ‘expecting’ their children to take care of them. And then of course there is emotional blackmail involved. – I gave up so many luxuries for you, I didnt get a new saree so that you get a new dress, etc etc etc. While I can totally understand the sacrifices, thats not reason to expect right?
My colleague’s inlaws are harassing her on a daily basis. not physically but emotionally. She is 5 months pregnant and is at her wits end on what to do because her husband doesnt seem to understand what the harassment is. She says that her MIL says that her hushand HAS to take care of them and his elder brothers because she has done so much for him when he was a child. My friend asks a question ‘do you have children because they will take care of you in old age or do you have children because you WANT them’
Valid question but unfortunately in India, we just expect too much.
Oops – Sorry IHM, too long a comment!
My friends and I were discussing the topic of in laws a while ago and this is what transpired.
I think that kinda sums up the entire situation really. The guys are treated like kings by the in-laws (out of fear that the sons will mistreat their daughter or what I don’t know), which should not be the case really.. they should be treated liked they would their own sons, while the women are scrutinized for everything they do.
As an outsider (as I’m single) I see things more objectively. I know when some girls complain about their in-laws, there are instances when the girls really have no reason to complain, and also, in know of terrible in-laws who make life hell for their daughters-in-law.
I feel the entire attitude should be changed.
If parents and the kids started treating their in-laws like family, respect and love them like their own instead of strangers who are encroaching on their lives, things would be better.
Yes, geriatic care more often than not is assumed to be the duty of the indian daughter-in-law and anything that gets the tag of being duty-bound gets to be a chore a burden and hence the related issues of abuse. However, I think it should more be a give-and-take kind of relationship. The younger generation needs the help, support system that older generation offers in terms of baby-sitting the grandchildren, guidance (though not desired) when it comes to difficult issues etc and in turn elder generation seek to be takencare of in their ripe old age. Nothing wrong in this symbiotic relationship except when we start putting boundaries that the son alone is solely responsible for his parents. Being flexible of supporting either parents can solve several of these problems. Some parents may prefer their daughter to their son but for the sake of society consider it the obligation of the son & DIL alone to take care of them. And this is where the problems being to take shape.
This 100% is not about abuse. What the MILs mean is that DILs dare behave like humans instead of slaves/cattle..
LOL!! good one Shailji. The MILs were once Cattle and they need to pass on the legacy to the DILs… I love the degree of awareness the MILs have – “Life was miserable for us so let us keep the cycle of misery going. Thats our sacred duty and responsibility.” Misery does love company. I hope my husband shoots me dead should I act like that in the future.
I have seen that the people who abuse their parents (when they were younger) get abused themselves when they are old.
If they had set the right example by taking care of their parents, their children (both son / daughter) would take care of them (at least not abuse).
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Hey IHM, considering the Delhi slut-walk is coming up soon, I think you should do a blog post on that!
Yeah I did have it in mind… will do asap. Thanks.
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The results of the survey seem a bit dicey…Having said that, I think the main problem with our society is the culture of expectation…In-laws expect their sons and their spouses to do as they are told and take care of them and sons and their spouses expect their children to be taken care of by their parents/in-laws…Why? What happened to the concept of mutual respect?
In India (and much of Asia), getting married does not mean the couple forming a new family – it means extending the old one and commodifying the DIL…If people broke out of this cycle of expectation and treated each other with respect, life would be so much easier and happier…
More about elder care – link shared by Sangitha – http://thealternative.in/articles/id-like-to-see-you-if-you-dont-mind
Thanks IHM and Sangithafor for this link
I just read it.
Yes, this GPS device would have been very useful if I had known about it.
I used the next best thing.
I had a card wtih his name, blood group, our telephone mumber and address written boldly and kept several copies of it in all his trouser, and jacket pockets.
My father had often tried to escape!
Once, while all of us were busy with our respective activities, our housekeeping assistant suddenly found him missing in his room. For some time, she was not too concerned. She thought he must have gone to the bathroom. After some time, on not hearing any sounds of running water or flushing from inside, she knocked on the door, and on getting no response, pushed the door open and found him missing from the barhroom too.
The alarm bells rang! Every one panicked.
Each one rushed in different directions, checked the other bathrooms and the balcony of our sixth floor apartment.
I rushed down the lift and was relieved when I saw the security staff of our apartment holding my father’s arm and escorting him back to the entrance of the lift. He told me my father was seen trying to leave the apartment complex alone, walking barefoot and not even properly dressed.
They of courese knew him well, as he was a familiar figure. I would take him around our apartment complex every day for a short walk and this made him a familiar face to the security staff. Fortunately one of them used his common sense and stopped him from going through the gate and trying to cross the road. It might have resulted in a tragedy.
We took him home and next morning, he remembered nothing! He even denied having tried to leave the house.
My brother talls me he did this once in Mumbai too and neighbours found him wandering aimlessly about 100 yards away from our apartment building and one of them persuaded him to do a U turn and brought him home.
It took all our patience to decide not to punish him by locking him up!
Stern admonishments for having attempted something so silly, brought only a mischievous smile on his face.
The next day, he simply denied he had done any such thing.
The ways of these people are truly mysterious.
I could regale you with many more such stories but will stop here.
Regards
GV
Even though our elders are our parents and we love them dearly, sometimes their behaviour can be frustrating in the extreme to deal with.
There were times when I wish that they were small enough to pick up and carry around:)
You know what – its a vicious cycle……what you give is what comes back to you in the end. So, beware when you disrespect the elderly….its not too far when you will be there yourself!
What about respecting the young Gunjan? I think everybody should be respected, age should not be a bar.
Yes, and that’s what I say – Its a vicious cycle…..I agree it has to be mutual. Age no bar!
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